Timber Wolves and Arctic Wolves...

So, there's a problem with these two.

For some odd reason that, really, makes no sense, arctic wolves and timber wolves will immediately fight when placed together in a habitat. Now, why is this a problem?

First off: "Timber wolves" are already a generic wolf, not any particular subspecies, of which Arctic Wolves already fall under. Secondly, regardless of specific subspecies, many different types of wolves are very similar, the biggest difference being geographical location- to the point that, really, if their ranges overlapped, they would interbreed with eachother naturally, and if placed together in a zoo in which they are a male and a female... they wouldn't fight on basis of species, they would breed.

A wolf found in Yellowstone National Park, for example, would be very likely to just breed with an arctic wolf if it ever encountered one, rather than somehow realize it's a different species and pick a fight.

Wolves do not recognize differences in subspecies unless the physical difference is drastic, i.e. Ethiopian wolves vs. a wolf from North America. If many different subspecies of wolves' territories overlapped in the wild, there would not be fighting based on species, there would simply be interbreeding between them.

So even if Timber Wolves weren't already meant to be some super generic "one-size-fits-all" type of wolf, it still would not make sense for them to IMMEDIATELY attack an arctic wolf placed in an enclosure with them, and they should be able to breed with a randomized % determining what the offspring turn out as.

The fact is, it is absolutely ridiculous to limit us to only ONE pattern/color of wolf per group. Arctic wolves are plain white, timber wolves are the same damn shade of gray, same markings, all the time, and for some reason, they must be separate, so it is impossible to have a mix of white and gray wolves in a single group.


This makes 0 sense realistically, as, as has been mentioned many times here, wolves come in MANY different colors and patterns and no two wolves in a pack will look exactly alike in every way.

So, we either need the ability to mix Arctic and Timber wolves in a single pack without infighting, which in general would make sense considering Timber Wolves' status as generic, or we need multiple color and pattern variations for timber wolves. I'd like both, actually.
 
I did have hope that Frontier might just update the game with Timer Wolf variants to solve this issue. But they've now sold you a new wolf skin in the DLC and after the velociraptor skins being sold for JWE (after the long term disappointment of fans because of how they looked in the vanilla game), I just think they will wait and then sell you more.
 
I haven't played with the new animals yet as I'm in the middle of a primate/ape-only zoo, but this is disappointing. I had hoped they'd actually allowed us to not only keep them in the same habitat, but allow cross-species breeding.
 
So, there's a problem with these two.

For some odd reason that, really, makes no sense, arctic wolves and timber wolves will immediately fight when placed together in a habitat. Now, why is this a problem?

First off: "Timber wolves" are already a generic wolf, not any particular subspecies, of which Arctic Wolves already fall under. Secondly, regardless of specific subspecies, many different types of wolves are very similar, the biggest difference being geographical location- to the point that, really, if their ranges overlapped, they would interbreed with eachother naturally, and if placed together in a zoo in which they are a male and a female... they wouldn't fight on basis of species, they would breed.

A wolf found in Yellowstone National Park, for example, would be very likely to just breed with an arctic wolf if it ever encountered one, rather than somehow realize it's a different species and pick a fight.

Wolves do not recognize differences in subspecies unless the physical difference is drastic, i.e. Ethiopian wolves vs. a wolf from North America. If many different subspecies of wolves' territories overlapped in the wild, there would not be fighting based on species, there would simply be interbreeding between them.

So even if Timber Wolves weren't already meant to be some super generic "one-size-fits-all" type of wolf, it still would not make sense for them to IMMEDIATELY attack an arctic wolf placed in an enclosure with them, and they should be able to breed with a randomized % determining what the offspring turn out as.

The fact is, it is absolutely ridiculous to limit us to only ONE pattern/color of wolf per group. Arctic wolves are plain white, timber wolves are the same damn shade of gray, same markings, all the time, and for some reason, they must be separate, so it is impossible to have a mix of white and gray wolves in a single group.


This makes 0 sense realistically, as, as has been mentioned many times here, wolves come in MANY different colors and patterns and no two wolves in a pack will look exactly alike in every way.

So, we either need the ability to mix Arctic and Timber wolves in a single pack without infighting, which in general would make sense considering Timber Wolves' status as generic, or we need multiple color and pattern variations for timber wolves. I'd like both, actually.

If you play sandbox there is a option that makes it able to place multiple animals together without them harming each other.
Not sure if that same option is available in other modes.
 
My guess is that Frontier didn't want to design and add a (let's just guess now what the generic wolf is really meant to be) Canis lupus occidentalis/Canis lupus lycaon x Canis lupus arctos hybrid.Maybe they even think,that they are different species,because there are no interspecific interactions besides from killing in Planet Zoo.
 
They wouldn't even have to make a hybrid, really. They could have just done what Zt2 did with the two giraffe species that could interbreed- have it as a random chance of whether the offspring turn out timber wolves or arctic wolves, and roll for each individual pup(so you could get, for example, both a timber wolf and an arctic wolf pup in a single litter.)
 
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