To EDSM or not to EDSM?
- Thread starter Starsong
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Yup .. don't upload until you sell. But claim jumping - lol.
Link EDSM to something like EDDiscovery and only open it up when you are docked, but the chance of being 'claim jumped' is pretty slim, about in the same liklihood as your finding systems someone else has been through but not yet sold the data 
FWIW, I seriously doubt that you need to worry that anyone is sat scrutinizing the data coming into EDSM to steal your claims.
I find the uploading logs to EDSM and Inara too cool / useful to resist.
If you're out in the black for months, then maybe it's worth protecting your discoveries, but you'll be due a colossal payout when you get home regardless.
I find the uploading logs to EDSM and Inara too cool / useful to resist.
If you're out in the black for months, then maybe it's worth protecting your discoveries, but you'll be due a colossal payout when you get home regardless.
OP - you're assuming there are nefarious explorers out there, watching for new discoveries and then rushing to claim them?
Perhaps a tad paranoid? Just use EDSM
Perhaps a tad paranoid? Just use EDSM
I keep my upload option off...then just hit the resync button once I dock, and let it do it's thing while I sell data...
I auto-upload all my discoveries immediately to EDSM. Haven't lost a planet yet.
That being said, I have stolen other people's planets, albeit accidentally.
A recent example: there's a very rare terraformable metal-rich planet in the Stuemeae SJ-R d4-2443 system - one of only 21 such planets known in the galaxy, according to EDSM. I wanted to find out if such things really were terraformable, or if they were a Codex error (like "terraformable ammonia worlds" are Codex errors), so I went there when I was in the vicinity of Sag A a few weeks ago, and scanned the system. I then posted the screenshot of the system to the thread linked to above. Some time later, I sold the data for the system. Only then did I realise that the system hadn't actually been Tagged at all yet. Whoever discovered it and sent the data across to EDSM (presumably someone named "Hobbitsland" who owns the EDSM tag) never got around to selling their data. There isn't a date of entry on the EDSM tag, so I think that means the data has been in EDSM for a long time; I don't know if Cmdr Hobbitsland died before selling their data, or if they're simply out on a long long voyage, but either way it's too late for them - my Tag is now on that very rare planet, all because they had EDSM updating switched on.
So it can happen. And what I did accidentally, some lurker on the forums or EDSM can just as easily do deliberately. Of course, it can also happen if you happen to get a new Codex discovery, and that's just using the in-game tools. New Codex discoveries are much rarer, but if you get one, you're much more likely to get a claim-jump if you are less than hasty in returning to sell the data, as people are likely to notice the new Codex entry and rush out to your system to scan it for themselves.
That being said, I have stolen other people's planets, albeit accidentally.
A recent example: there's a very rare terraformable metal-rich planet in the Stuemeae SJ-R d4-2443 system - one of only 21 such planets known in the galaxy, according to EDSM. I wanted to find out if such things really were terraformable, or if they were a Codex error (like "terraformable ammonia worlds" are Codex errors), so I went there when I was in the vicinity of Sag A a few weeks ago, and scanned the system. I then posted the screenshot of the system to the thread linked to above. Some time later, I sold the data for the system. Only then did I realise that the system hadn't actually been Tagged at all yet. Whoever discovered it and sent the data across to EDSM (presumably someone named "Hobbitsland" who owns the EDSM tag) never got around to selling their data. There isn't a date of entry on the EDSM tag, so I think that means the data has been in EDSM for a long time; I don't know if Cmdr Hobbitsland died before selling their data, or if they're simply out on a long long voyage, but either way it's too late for them - my Tag is now on that very rare planet, all because they had EDSM updating switched on.
So it can happen. And what I did accidentally, some lurker on the forums or EDSM can just as easily do deliberately. Of course, it can also happen if you happen to get a new Codex discovery, and that's just using the in-game tools. New Codex discoveries are much rarer, but if you get one, you're much more likely to get a claim-jump if you are less than hasty in returning to sell the data, as people are likely to notice the new Codex entry and rush out to your system to scan it for themselves.
I think the tag sniping is a lot more likely to happen in that scenario, where someone just wants to visit a unique object, or record-holding body from within the EDSM data, not knowing whether the discoverer has sold their data or not. The rest of the time, most of the things you're finding are "lost in the noise" and unlikely to be targeted, unless they're trying to follow you specifically.
I may have done that
… When I arrived at a record holding body no tags could be found in the entire system. But then it was over a month before I docked and sold the data.Since I'm also visiting stuff most people aren't even aware of, it is to them just another boring celestial body. This can often be seen when I'm in a system with a record holding body but nothing or almost nothing is scanned.
However, I'm deliberately "stealing" anybodies first finds.
Also, what Sapyx said.
Also, on my journey it wasn't too uncommon to see that something was discovered by someone in EDSM but that it was somebody else ingame.
Finally, I upload my data at once to EDSM. But I can empathize with this worry. During my first journey I had the same. It took thens of thousands (I would say around 46k ly) and thousands of undiscovered systems to realize that the chance that somebody will "steal" my finds, is very small.
So don't worry
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I may have done that
Since I'm also visiting stuff most people aren't even aware of, it is to them just another boring celestial body. This can often be seen when I'm in a system with a record holding body but nothing or almost nothing is scanned.
However, I'm deliberately "stealing" anybodies first finds.
That happened to me too when you sent me to check trojan candidates. Some system were completely undiscovered, but since they were all ordinary bodies I didn't bother selling the data.
You are much likely to be claim jumped by the Codex than EDSM. Your interesting bio and geo discoveries get posted in the Codex right away, so even though you may be first to find some interesting bio in a region another pilot checking the Codex could potentially steal first discovery right for the star and planets.
Having said that, meh, I couldn't really care much, I always know I was first there even in no-one else does!
Having said that, meh, I couldn't really care much, I always know I was first there even in no-one else does!
I routinely check my (suspected at time of discovery) high value systems with EDSM but honestly if I have scanned say 2000 systems during a voyage I might get home and at data turn in discover maybe three that someone else has delivered the data on first. That is just luck/bad luck and not claim jumping. About the only exception I would make is when I find Raxxla. Then and only then I'll be on a buckyball express to get it recorded at the closest station I can find.
Sorry all, I've got dibs on Raxxla, so you all can just quit looking.
Sorry all, I've got dibs on Raxxla, so you all can just quit looking.
Question is, how do you prove that claim jumping was intentional? They easily could have just discovered it on their own, and been the first to sell.
I know of only one instance when a specific body was deliberately sniped from EDSM, and even there, the evidence was that the guy pretty much boasted about it. Oh, and another where the guy said that even though he got the body specifically from EDSM, he was the first discoverer because the tag on the body now says so.
But yeah, as far as I know, not only do various clients have the option to hold on to uploads until you dock, but also EDSM itself has the option to withhold until that, or a month has passed. Still, if there's something you're worried about others sniping, best not to upload until you sell the data - or if it has already happened, you can always beeline to the nearest base. (The farthest you can be from any base is now, what, 40k ly?)
I know of only one instance when a specific body was deliberately sniped from EDSM, and even there, the evidence was that the guy pretty much boasted about it. Oh, and another where the guy said that even though he got the body specifically from EDSM, he was the first discoverer because the tag on the body now says so.
But yeah, as far as I know, not only do various clients have the option to hold on to uploads until you dock, but also EDSM itself has the option to withhold until that, or a month has passed. Still, if there's something you're worried about others sniping, best not to upload until you sell the data - or if it has already happened, you can always beeline to the nearest base. (The farthest you can be from any base is now, what, 40k ly?)
I post to EDSM immediately and I don't really care if I 'lose' a system - you always run that risk if you stay out in the black for a while, it's only a teensy bit larger when using EDSM.
But what you get in return is not only your own EDSM dashboard and statistics and other tools (I've used the API a number of times to calculate how much LY I had been flying since the start of DW2 for example), but you also contribute to the database that all other explorers use. To me EDSM is OUR tool and our database and I kinda like that it's more than Elite provides to it's players. I'm happy that my discoveries, no matter how tiny compared to others, contribute to the overall knowledge we have of the Elite galaxy.
But what you get in return is not only your own EDSM dashboard and statistics and other tools (I've used the API a number of times to calculate how much LY I had been flying since the start of DW2 for example), but you also contribute to the database that all other explorers use. To me EDSM is OUR tool and our database and I kinda like that it's more than Elite provides to it's players. I'm happy that my discoveries, no matter how tiny compared to others, contribute to the overall knowledge we have of the Elite galaxy.