Today I got an oculus and jumped into ED and.....

HOLY COW!!!!!
I have been playing ED since beta started and This changed everything:eek:. Its not all smooth sailing but I have to say I did not expect it to effect me in the way it has.
The good:
I found it to be a truly fantastic experience overall. It totally surprised me.
For any that have an oculus I hope you have actually looked around the cockpit. I don't just mean head turning. I mean get up out of the chair and walk around having a close look at everything. This Blew my mind!!!!!
hehe I was down on hands and knees checking out little indicators that turn out to be the Seat Controls for the two seats in my cobra. Damn Brilliant.
Flying the training missions that take place in the ice fields and getting up close and personal to the roids is also mind blowing.
The difference in gameplay with the VR head tracking compared to TrackIR is truly the next level and is so much more natural with things behaving as expected.
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The bad:
The oculus still has a way to go though. The DK2 Res is sub par when split across two eyes. I found I had to keep leaning in to the left and the right panels to read them. Coming from a 4k display obviously this was a big step backwards resolution wise. But the 3D experience was amazing and made up for it. I Use the hack to change the Hud Colour to Blue and this made a huge difference to the readability. It was much better but all the other colours are wrong with that hack so I don't like using it.
the Oculus is too hot to wear in the summer.
Compensating for chromatic aberration does not seem to work well. the stars seem a little off (again that's an oculus thing rather than a Elite thing)
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As well as being susceptible to VR sickness, which I hope to overcome by slowly increasing my exposure, I am also in a group of people that sees objects at the wrong scale in the oculus. This has nothing to do with the PID setting (well the ones they provide). It makes little or no difference to scale for me pushing it from one extreme to the other.
For example if they Put me in a house, all of the rooms and furniture seems a little smaller than it should be.
In The elite cockpit, all the controls and the pilots hands look like a small child version. Also getting up out of the chair and looking at the headless pilot sitting in the seat, he looks like a small boy rather than a full size man.
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This is not a crit of elite. I seem to be experiencing it in all VR games through the oculus.
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Now if I can just stop myself from getting dizzy when I barrel roll in the station I might be able to cope.
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This oculus is a loaner. I am hoping the next higher res one overcomes the shortfalls to some extent.
But I am so glad I experienced it. :eek:
 
HOLY COW!!!!!
As well as being susceptible to VR sickness, which I hope to overcome by slowly increasing my exposure,

10 days ago when I first tried my DK2, I could only make gentle movements with the flightstick without starting to feel queasy. The next few days I got more comfortable but still felt really weird after playing even ~15 minutes, and afterward I didn't feel right again for hours. Frankly I was worried at this point that I wouldn't be able to handle VR after all. But now, I can play for hours in dogfights and feel nothing amiss, whatsoever, with zero after-effect. So, if my experience is anything to go by, I would have much hope in this regard!

And yeah, the resolution is notably low, but it's still worth it. After a week of it, trying the game on a 1440p monitor seemed primitive! Once you get used to having the game all around you, the monitor feels like looking at the world through a tiny window.
 
[...] I am also in a group of people that sees objects at the wrong scale in the oculus. This has nothing to do with the PID setting (well the ones they provide). It makes little or no difference to scale for me pushing it from one extreme to the other.
For example if they Put me in a house, all of the rooms and furniture seems a little smaller than it should be.
In The elite cockpit, all the controls and the pilots hands look like a small child version. Also getting up out of the chair and looking at the headless pilot sitting in the seat, he looks like a small boy rather than a full size man.

If with "the PID setting (well the ones they provide)" and "pushing it from one extreme to the other" you mean the dials on either side of the Rift then you are doing it wrong. These are not for setting up your IPD (interpupillary distance). You set your IPD via the Oculus Config Utility. There's a calibration procedure in which you align thin green lines to measure your FOV and thus your IPD.

And ultimately the configured IPD does indeed influence your perception of scale in-game as it tells the game/Oculus Runtime how to render the two game cameras (your eyes) meaning how much the two are separated so you get a proper depth perception.
 
If with "the PID setting (well the ones they provide)" and "pushing it from one extreme to the other" you mean the dials on either side of the Rift then you are doing it wrong. These are not for setting up your IPD (interpupillary distance). You set your IPD via the Oculus Config Utility. There's a calibration procedure in which you align thin green lines to measure your FOV and thus your IPD.

And ultimately the configured IPD does indeed influence your perception of scale in-game as it tells the game/Oculus Runtime how to render the two game cameras (your eyes) meaning how much the two are separated so you get a proper depth perception.
Hi I am not sure why you assumed I was not setting the PID correctly, but I was actually using the calibration in the software to set the PID. When this did not resolve the scale issue I also then changed the values manually from its minimum setting to it Maximum. It may have made a slight difference in scale but not enough to make it appear life size for me. I think the issue is that the physical lense separation does not change. I have made adaptors for a friend that has the oculus as he has a much wider PID and the oculus fixed lens system does not work for him. My adaptor helped him a lot as it creased the inbuilt lense separation. I will try making a set tomorrow for me. See if that helps.
 
Lens separation has no effect on depth perception but only on image clarity. The lenses are separated for an IPD of 63.5 mm (the "sweet spot"). Altering the lens separation will move the sweet spot so you get a crisper image if your IPD differs largely from 63.5 mm. Mine is about 59.5 mm so the narrow lens separators from vr-gear made the image leaps better for me. I also sanded down the separators by 1 mm to bring the focal length back to where it's supposed to be without the separators.

Whereas depth perception or "3D factor" is affected by the separation of the two rendered stereoscopic images.

P.S.: for text clarity you should try to change the HUD color to green instead of blue because of the Rift's pentile matrix OLED display (it has more green pixels than red or blue).
 
The bad:
The oculus still has a way to go though. The DK2 Res is sub par when split across two eyes. I found I had to keep leaning in to the left and the right panels to read them. Coming from a 4k display obviously this was a big step backwards resolution wise. But the 3D experience was amazing and made up for it. I Use the hack to change the Hud Colour to Blue and this made a huge difference to the readability. It was much better but all the other colours are wrong with that hack so I don't like using it.
the Oculus is too hot to wear in the summer.
Compensating for chromatic aberration does not seem to work well. the stars seem a little off (again that's an oculus thing rather than a Elite thing)

You forgot the most important bad...

the fact that after experiencing the Rift you can never go back to using a monitor!

I play for hours and hours. You adapt to the resolution and eventually you don't notice it so much. Use the config file mods that change your hud colour! Set it up to either light blue or green. That helps massively!

The warm feeling / lens steaming up seems to only be a problem when first using it because the lenses are cold. Steam up, Wipe, Repeat and then after about 10 minutes it stops happening as the lens temperature acclimatises with your face.
 
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You forgot the most important bad...

the fact that after experiencing the Rift you can never go back to using a monitor!

As someone who never really played the game much during Alpha/Beta and have now the time to play it on release this is one of the most amazing differences for me. SImply approaching a space station and looking around while trying to dock is truely one of the most stunning experiences I have ever had in gaming. When I was setting up Voice Attack and was using the monitor the game looks so boring on the screen. I honestly dont think I could play ED now on a monitor.

I finally reached 10k credits last night :) Yes I suck at the game but I am having fun :)
 
As someone who never really played the game much during Alpha/Beta and have now the time to play it on release this is one of the most amazing differences for me. SImply approaching a space station and looking around while trying to dock is truely one of the most stunning experiences I have ever had in gaming. When I was setting up Voice Attack and was using the monitor the game looks so boring on the screen. I honestly dont think I could play ED now on a monitor.

I finally reached 10k credits last night :) Yes I suck at the game but I am having fun :)
You are doing it right!
I just bought a cobra yesterday and only could afford basic modules and some guns so far. I am playing since nov the 18th mind you!
There is no need to rush it if you are having fun along the way. Considering new content and expansions are quite a long way off i would say it is better to take it slow and enjoy what is there.
For me it was exploring a bit - flying to empire space and getting a system permit for achenar. Now i am upping my empire rank until i theoretically could buy an imperial clipper.

Only started elite up on monitors once to set up my hotas. Every other moment i played with the DK2. :)
 
The "rift" SUCKS.

My friend had one and already sold it on ebay. He said it was cool for a couple hours, but its hard to see, its uncomfortable and most importantly, it made him worse in combat. He bought a 32inch lcd like i use and now he LOVES the game WAY better.

I have played this game for over 200 hrs and have yet to look inside my ship. Who cares what inside of ship looks like? Since middle of GAMMA i have 199 pirate kills and NO combat deaths. Thats what counts!!!!!!!!!!! U cant do that with a stupid rift on ur face.
 
The "rift" SUCKS.

My friend had one and already sold it on ebay. He said it was cool for a couple hours, but its hard to see, its uncomfortable and most importantly, it made him worse in combat. He bought a 32inch lcd like i use and now he LOVES the game WAY better.

I have played this game for over 200 hrs and have yet to look inside my ship. Who cares what inside of ship looks like? Since middle of GAMMA i have 199 pirate kills and NO combat deaths. Thats what counts!!!!!!!!!!! U cant do that with a stupid rift on ur face.
I disagree. The Rift is the reason I bought ED. It's such a cool experience feeling presence in a starship! Getting used to the game with it on takes some getting used to, but man, it is so slick!
 
I am slowly getting used to it. Dog fighting is a little harder as the enemy is a blur in the distance, you have to use the instruments. I do find the general fuzziness of the low res to be annoying but as I stated earlier I am a 4K gamer, so a drop even to 1080 I find a pixel storm now. My biggest problem is when I come into the station and the Landing pad is above me. No matter how carefully I try, the roll gets my stomach into my throat everytime. I tried it once with my eyes closed hehe and nearly smashed the cobra.

Now having said that I will definitely buy the next model of oculus when they increase the res. The constant shimmer in the instruments wears me down after a while. What blew me away was when I finished my last session and too the rift, off I was tattally surprised to find myself in a fully lit room in daylight. I Was so consumed by the blackness of space I forgot it was the middle of the day. Truly awesome experience.
 
I am slowly getting used to it. Dog fighting is a little harder as the enemy is a blur in the distance, you have to use the instruments. I do find the general fuzziness of the low res to be annoying but as I stated earlier I am a 4K gamer, so a drop even to 1080 I find a pixel storm now. My biggest problem is when I come into the station and the Landing pad is above me. No matter how carefully I try, the roll gets my stomach into my throat everytime. I tried it once with my eyes closed hehe and nearly smashed the cobra.

Now having said that I will definitely buy the next model of oculus when they increase the res. The constant shimmer in the instruments wears me down after a while. What blew me away was when I finished my last session and too the rift, off I was tattally surprised to find myself in a fully lit room in daylight. I Was so consumed by the blackness of space I forgot it was the middle of the day. Truly awesome experience.

If you keep at it the nausea will go away. I could be rolling about stations allday long by now. It wasn't like that when i first tried.
 
The "rift" SUCKS.

My friend had one and already sold it on ebay. He said it was cool for a couple hours, but its hard to see, its uncomfortable and most importantly, it made him worse in combat. He bought a 32inch lcd like i use and now he LOVES the game WAY better.

I have played this game for over 200 hrs and have yet to look inside my ship. Who cares what inside of ship looks like? Since middle of GAMMA i have 199 pirate kills and NO combat deaths. Thats what counts!!!!!!!!!!! U cant do that with a stupid rift on ur face.

You dont like it, that is fine, however its interesting you are using the "he said" rather than actually making your own mind up!.

but whether you like it or not is moot, but you are so wrong about what counts.... what counts is whether you are having fun or not, not whether your are able to massage your ego by having lots of kills and few deaths!.

Clearly no thing is for all (wo)men, but you are in a minority when it comes to VR and elite. Most people think it is amazing, even if it isnt for "them" or even if it is not quite there yet (hint... it isnt, hence why it is a dev kit and oculus are trying not to sell it to gamers by ..... telling gamers not to buy it)

clearly you have not yet learned to differentiate between subjectivity and objectivity... ohh and the rift is a an electronic device encased in plastic. It is neither stupid or intelligent, that is all down to the meatsack using it.

(and you CAN do that with a rift on your face btw. I have died twice, and neither deaths were anything to do with the rift)
 
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:) Those who deride the Rift having never tried it simply do not know what they are missing out on as it is beyond incredible, the sense of immersion and actually flying a real spacecraft ! I also play Project Cars and can never go back to flat screen monitors again no matter how good they are, even triple screens with TrackIR just do not give the same sense of "being there".

Totally agree with Mad Mike that the fun in Elite is by no means measured by the number of kills you rack up ... that sounds like how I felt when I was gaming as a young teenager... time & experience changes those attitudes ! ;)
 
The "rift" SUCKS.

My friend had one and already sold it on ebay. He said it was cool for a couple hours, but its hard to see, its uncomfortable and most importantly, it made him worse in combat. He bought a 32inch lcd like i use and now he LOVES the game WAY better.

I have played this game for over 200 hrs and have yet to look inside my ship. Who cares what inside of ship looks like? Since middle of GAMMA i have 199 pirate kills and NO combat deaths. Thats what counts!!!!!!!!!!! U cant do that with a stupid rift on ur face.

[video=youtube;z8f2mW1GFSI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8f2mW1GFSI[/video]
 
:) Those who deride the Rift having never tried it simply do not know what they are missing out on as it is beyond incredible, the sense of immersion and actually flying a real spacecraft ! I also play Project Cars and can never go back to flat screen monitors again no matter how good they are, even triple screens with TrackIR just do not give the same sense of "being there".

Totally agree with Mad Mike that the fun in Elite is by no means measured by the number of kills you rack up ... that sounds like how I felt when I was gaming as a young teenager... time & experience changes those attitudes ! ;)

Actually the most intense moments i had in elite so far was ramming the entrance inside a station (i actually threw my hands up to protect my face) and a dogfight where my window cracked. Winning the dogfight was not as spectacular in comparison.
The moments where you actually think you are there are something you can only have with the oculus rift.
 
Actually the most intense moments i had in elite so far was ramming the entrance inside a station (i actually threw my hands up to protect my face) and a dogfight where my window cracked. Winning the dogfight was not as spectacular in comparison.
The moments where you actually think you are there are something you can only have with the oculus rift.

Indeed, the feeling of 'Oh <insert expletive>!' when you're buzzing around in a ring system looking at the scenery out of the left window, then look back forwards only to realise that you're now heading towards a VERY big rock; far more visceral. Bracing for impact doesn't really happen when you do that using monitor; but it does in the Rift, at least for me =)
 
I would prefer to ignore the troll who thinks that the only way to enjoy a game is to turn it into a chore rather than an experience. Frankly we don't care about your hatred of the rift or how you think you should experience a game. That is not what the thread was about. Yes the rift needs to develop further, just like some peoples attitudes "What you are not allowed to find that fun! Play it my way or else". For me games are experiences not chores. Did you know some people load them up to enjoy different aspects.
Buy the way I don't hide in a basement or answer to my mom. You also need to learn that people that like to experience games are of all ages and like different aspects.
If this does not interest you then just go to a thread that does.
 
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