Trading Inbreeds

[MrHappy]

Hands up ye guilty offenders!!!!

Don't put your inbreeds on the trade centre, at least have some zoo keeper etiquette and use trading for the animals that you can earn from and that the rest of us might want, save the rest of us that awful trade centre lag that is happening and perhaps just release the poor deformed freaky little things into the wild?

Also, Frontier, it seems quite common to swap out the male animals after breeding but this leads to an overflow of males in the trade centre and hardly any ever females to adopt. Is there any way to equalise things without spoiling the basic idea of player trading?

 

[Nioell]

waves hands Guilty as charged!

Though, in my defense: some of my best animals are inbred so people are happy to buy them. I sold lots of inbred animals that had silver or gold ratings and green stats. Also sold some with 0% fertility (you can still breed them btw) or immunity for cheap 'cause they had 100% in the other categories and they always sold. Not everyone is looking for the same thing, and if I don't want to breed the animal I'm buying anyway I'd take the tiger with 100% longevity and 0% fertility for 250cc over the one with 50%/70% for 600cc any time.

So instead of inbreeds you should probably say low stats animals with less than 50% in all categories. I always release those right away (Frontier Zoo sell enough of those for cheap already) but you can get low stat animals from none related pairs just as well and that has nothing to do with inbreeding...

Totally agree on the shortage of females for some species, though, but that's just how the market is with an online mode like franchise and the animal group structures as they are.

 

[NL_Mutso]

While I don't like the inbred animals on the market, it still can have a purpose - if they sell it for a low price. Some animal species live very long and if you don't want to breed that animal in your zoo - you can buy a cheap animal just to show in your zoo..

But I agree with you, especially during challenges it was horrible

 

[MrHappy]

Great replies, thanks. Maybe one idea would be to have the auto price suggestion reduced by a percentage on animals that are inbred? And/or a notification of some sort with each animal to say that "this animal is inbred". It would allow people to spend cheaply whilst discouraging the input of inbreeds into the trade centre?

 

[Nioell]

Well, if you wanna go with that it would need a cap on the actual price players can set, because I'm pretty sure very few people out there actually care for the suggested price. I mean just look at all the 10k animals, no price suggestion is ever that high...and tbh I don't really see a reason to implement that. Everyone can already filter for the stats they want and a price as well, and since it doesn't actually have a negative effect on anything whether or not the animal I buy was the result of inbreeding I don't really care about where it came from as long as the stats are what I'm looking for.

However I get that there are others out there who might care about that, so maybe an option to filter out inbred animals would be best? Something like "list inbred animals - on/off" either in the trade center itself or in the game options. That way everyone could decide for themselves if they want those animals to show up or not. It might also add a little more of a challenge when it comes to acquiring certain rarer species depending on how many of the available animals on the market are inbred.

 

[Jileha]

Some inbred animals actually achieve 4x100 stats. Why wouldn’t anybody want to buy them?

It’s about poor stats, not inbreeding. Even non-inbred animals can get pretty poor stats with 0% attributes. (Due to a bug, I even had a gold animal with high green stats and 2x100 change in the market into an extremely poor animal with 0% immunity.)

At least in my market, there are not many animals offered by players. So I often have no choice but to buy low stats animals (at a decent price; I refuse to pay top CC for poor animals). I’d rather have the option to buy animals than have no animals offered at all. And if you would exclude poor stats, a lot of animals offered by Frontier would have to be excluded as well. And then we really would not be able to buy some species.

A lot of people don’t really care that much about breeding. In those cases, the stats (with the exception of longevity) hardly matter. Plus it is not that hard to breed good animals from poor to mediocre parents if they have the right combination of genes.

If you don’t like an animal, don’t buy it.

 

[MrHappy]

Some inbred animals actually achieve 4x100 stats. Why wouldn’t anybody want to buy them?

It’s about poor stats, not inbreeding. Even non-inbred animals can get pretty poor stats with 0% attributes. (Due to a bug, I even had a gold animal with high green stats and 2x100 change in the market into an extremely poor animal with 0% immunity.)

At least in my market, there are not many animals offered by players. So I often have no choice but to buy low stats animals (at a decent price; I refuse to pay top CC for poor animals). I’d rather have the option to buy animals than have no animals offered at all. And if you would exclude poor stats, a lot of animals offered by Frontier would have to be excluded as well. And then we really would not be able to buy some species.

A lot of people don’t really care that much about breeding. In those cases, the stats (with the exception of longevity) hardly matter. Plus it is not that hard to breed good animals from poor to mediocre parents if they have the right combination of genes.

If you don’t like an animal, don’t buy it.

And in the spirit of simulating an actual zoo with professional standards?

 

[marcnesiumHH]

And in the spirit of simulating an actual zoo with professional standards?

You're actually raising a topic, where the game sends very wrong messages and is not useful to teach something. Judging animals or even humans by genetics (in this case: give them medals) is a not very positive thinking of mankind and roots to many bad human behaviour in the past and present.

Regarding zoos: there is no way whatsoever that a zoo researches or tests genetics of all animals. Even if that was possible it would be way to expensive for a zoo.
The only thing what zoos do (heavily depends on the species) is to find out if they are fertile. And in most cases they only test this (if it's viable) if there is no offspring after a longer period of time.
And even if they find out that they are infertile, today's modern managed zoos don't throw away animals or releasing them into the wild or do whatever... In today's modern managed zoos this is a behaviour from decades ago.

If really want to dig deeper into reality of zoos and this topic watch detailed documentations on YT etc.

 

[RMA]

Yes I somehow see the point of the OP.
Some of those animals I see in the market with all stats in the red drives me crazy. Giraffes, Rhinos, Primates and Elephants, feelingly most of offered animals are just ridiculous.

However I meanwhile hardly care about the fertility and immunity stats anymore.
A 0% per cent male elephant will produce offspring no matter what, IF he has somewhat fertile ladies. Also the other way round, a 0 per cent fertile female elephant with a proper longelivity bar will have its 2-3 kiddies in its lifespan with a male partner who has a green fertility bar, so almost nil difference to an other proper fertile female with the same partner according to my experience so far.

Just for those species who can have multiple offspring at once (cats and bears for example) I look for proper fertile females.

So if I have a just grown-up surplus animal with 90/75/0/20 I'll put them on the market often enough with price recommendation the game provides.
And if I can provide someone with a 100/92/0/0 male elephant for less than 1k CC...why not, as said with a good enough lady there will be little elephants in that persons' zoo pretty soon.

Nonetheless I would welcome some kind of treshold to unlock certain price areas. Maybe just as an idea for animals who need ~10 yrs to grow up or are very expensive to keep, max at the middle of its lifespan and all stats in the green, then you can unlock and offer that animals at a price range beyond 5,000 CC.
Yesterday I needed a new male African buffalo. Quite a long time, zero on the market, then I see one 15yrs old, 33/65/45/0 male for like 6,500 CC....I mean seriously?!

 

[Krally]

Sadly sometimes all you can take are poor stat or inbred animals or settle for nothing at all.

I really hope Frontier invests some time in further developing the trade center. It can be so much more than it is and much easier to use. It probably won't happen, but it would be great if animals didn't time out for sale after 60 minutes. If breeders could have their own 'stores', if you could post WTB animals and deal with people directly to get what you need.

 

[ShadowLilly]

probably won't happen, but it would be great if animals didn't time out for sale after 60 minutes. If breeders could have their own 'stores', if you could post WTB animals and deal with people directly to get what you need.

I like these ideas!