trading profit over 2k?

[kartonick]

hey all!

im doing some trade routes now and then and as for now i noticed one thing, despite the system, commodity, distance etc etc, i cant get more than 200k profit from a 100 ton (average 2000 per ton) cargo space when i do rounds between two stations.
if one commodity gives 160k the reversed route with another commodity makes not more than 40k
if 120k then not more than 80k and so on.

that leads to my question.

are there trading routes with commodities that give more than 200k profit per 100 ton between two docks back and forth? or should i just stick with one and farm it?

or maby there are better ways to profit with trading in general that i dont know of?

 

[gazzareth]

I've found a few up to 2.4k, sure that there is much better out there, but pretty happy doing those ones.

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[Peter_Quill]

I wasnt trading in a long time so I dont know if my route still works, but I had a route between 3 station (2 of them in one system) giving me 3800 cr/t profit, but that was a couple weeks ago.

 

[Klab]

2k back & forth is about the norm it seems.

 

[Gemat]

I went from 15m to 35m trading in an ASP 120t 210k/roundtrip 6,5 trips/hour. BORRING, but the only relatively quick way to upgrade the ASP.
I am sure that I could find more profitable routes, but it the end I would spend more time searching than trading.....

Its quite difficult to find two high population stations (steady prices) that have commodities suitable for roundtrip profit and be VERY close to the NAV beacon....

 

[Hellcat3105]

I had a 2.7k back and forth route that took 9mins to do the round trip. Not logged in since 1.1 was released so no idea if its still good or not. Found a 2.9k 2-jump route too but per hr it worked out less

 

[Abil Midena]

I don't know how you guys find those routes, unless you're using online trade route (Thudds, etc). I don't use those, as I personally consider it lame. I understand the in game commodity screen isn't what it could be though. It would be nice just to be able to compare prices on the places I've been within, say, 40 LY, all on one screen. Right now, I have to Excel it.

I am in the same boat as Kartonik. edit* What I mean is I cannot find a price difference greater than about 1200 cr. And I can't find a two way trip that has that both ways.

 

[Sams]

I had a 2.7k back and forth route that took 9mins to do the round trip. Not logged in since 1.1 was released so no idea if its still good or not. Found a 2.9k 2-jump route too but per hr it worked out less

The big ones do seem to require more than one jump. Currently have a 3k with two jumps but there is nothing else around and I can't be bothered finding new ones

The most important part, especially if you have a T9 or Anaconda, is to find a route (or part of a route) which isn't listed on any trading site. They remain stable for a little longer.

 

[bvw103]

I don't know how you guys find those routes, unless you're using online trade route (Thudds, etc). I don't use those, as I personally consider it lame. I understand the in game commodity screen isn't what it could be though. It would be nice just to be able to compare prices on the places I've been within, say, 40 LY, all on one screen. Right now, I have to Excel it.

I am in the same boat as Kartonik. edit* What I mean is I cannot find a price difference greater than about 1200 cr. And I can't find a two way trip that has that both ways.

Use elite notes on your phone or tablet, no automation but just an easy way to enter each stations data.

 

[Kozmyk]

I don't know how you guys find those routes, unless you're using online trade route (Thudds, etc). I don't use those, as I personally consider it lame. I understand the in game commodity screen isn't what it could be though. It would be nice just to be able to compare prices on the places I've been within, say, 40 LY, all on one screen. Right now, I have to Excel it.

I am in the same boat as Kartonik. edit* What I mean is I cannot find a price difference greater than about 1200 cr. And I can't find a two way trip that has that both ways.

Some of the trade tools can be used to only run off your own collected data.
Slopey's and TradeDangerous come to mind.
Although they are mainly used with crowd sourced data, you can set them to only scan your own data IIRC
I've seen discussions of such matters on their respective forum threads, in passing.
If you do a little digging I'm sure you could find what you want.

 

[malicious1]

Use elite notes on your phone or tablet, no automation but just an easy way to enter each stations data.

best ive had in release is 3.6k and it was off the beaten track was a 3 station run 2 within same system and the last was 18ly so fairly fast .

think also about how far from the sun the stations are as that directly effects how fast your turnaround is which is pivotal for making serious money

 

[Helfar]

Had a 1.5K/tonne 1 way and 1.2K/tonne return journey. Not been on for a few weeks and come b ack and found it has halved it's value, which was a bit of a nightmare, now gotta try and find sommat else as I will never make enough money for a T9 at this rate lol

 

[FX2K]

I don't know how you guys find those routes, unless you're using online trade route (Thudds, etc). I don't use those, as I personally consider it lame. I understand the in game commodity screen isn't what it could be though. It would be nice just to be able to compare prices on the places I've been within, say, 40 LY, all on one screen. Right now, I have to Excel it.

I am in the same boat as Kartonik. edit* What I mean is I cannot find a price difference greater than about 1200 cr. And I can't find a two way trip that has that both ways.

I'm also not a fan of crowdsourced data, but have been using a tool recently and its awesome.
Built for Excel and well worth a look : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=103401
Its personal data with OCR scanning. with ED in borderless window mode, it overlays the game and works really well.

IMO, its what ED should have had.

 

[dannysquid]

I understand the in game commodity screen isn't what it could be though. It would be nice just to be able to compare prices on the places I've been within, say, 40 LY, all on one screen. Right now, I have to Excel it.

This seems like a good way of doing it. Is there a gameplay or technical reason they don't do it that way?

 

[reaper7]

Using TCE (Trade Computer Extension) which is local only so not using crowdsourced data. Have finally found a 2.3K route that's 4 jumps 26Ly each way.

 

[mmikem]

Hi Kartonick,

I have found that trading "RARE" items is the most profitable way of gaining credits. If you google this there are a number of people offering information on which star systems and stations these can be found in. The price of these is very cheap but it you travel between 140 - 160 Ly away the price maxes out , so that you can make about 15,000 - 17,000 CR profit per tonne. The down side is that the supply is limited at each station. However it is possible to map out a route between a number of these systems and stations, and run a trading loop route. It is possible to make 1-1.5 million CR per trip with a Type 6. If you install an advanced system scanner and possibly a detailed surface scanner then you can pick up addition credits on each trip. (Especially if you jump economically rather than for distance as you will visit more systems..)

It can be a dull way of playing as you are trying hard not to get interdicted or get into a fight.... However remembering that the price that was paid for RARE was low, it is possible to drop a couple and run to escape... before FSDing away.

hey all!

im doing some trade routes now and then and as for now i noticed one thing, despite the system, commodity, distance etc etc, i cant get more than 200k profit from a 100 ton (average 2000 per ton) cargo space when i do rounds between two stations.
if one commodity gives 160k the reversed route with another commodity makes not more than 40k
if 120k then not more than 80k and so on.

that leads to my question.

are there trading routes with commodities that give more than 200k profit per 100 ton between two docks back and forth? or should i just stick with one and farm it?

or maby there are better ways to profit with trading in general that i dont know of?

 

[Ari Ben Zayn]

This seems like a good way of doing it. Is there a gameplay or technical reason they don't do it that way?

A lore reason - if I remember correctly it's punishable by death to export trade data from systems.

I just wish the trade routes in the galaxy maps were at least HALF accurate .....

 

[Yokai]

hey all!

im doing some trade routes now and then and as for now i noticed one thing, despite the system, commodity, distance etc etc, i cant get more than 200k profit from a 100 ton (average 2000 per ton) cargo space when i do rounds between two stations.
if one commodity gives 160k the reversed route with another commodity makes not more than 40k
if 120k then not more than 80k and so on.

that leads to my question.

are there trading routes with commodities that give more than 200k profit per 100 ton between two docks back and forth? or should i just stick with one and farm it?

or maby there are better ways to profit with trading in general that i dont know of?

10,000 to 12,000 cr/ton/hour routes are very easy find. If you're not making at least that much, look for better.
14,000 cr/ton/hour routes that don't degrade quickly take a fair bit of work to find, but they _can_ be found.
16,000 cr/ton/hour or better routes are very lucky to find and/or very short-lived.

Orange link in sig block below if this is greek to you.

 

[Ydiss]

Hi Kartonick,

I have found that trading "RARE" items is the most profitable way of gaining credits. If you google this there are a number of people offering information on which star systems and stations these can be found in. The price of these is very cheap but it you travel between 140 - 160 Ly away the price maxes out , so that you can make about 15,000 - 17,000 CR profit per tonne. The down side is that the supply is limited at each station. However it is possible to map out a route between a number of these systems and stations, and run a trading loop route. It is possible to make 1-1.5 million CR per trip with a Type 6. If you install an advanced system scanner and possibly a detailed surface scanner then you can pick up addition credits on each trip. (Especially if you jump economically rather than for distance as you will visit more systems..)

It can be a dull way of playing as you are trying hard not to get interdicted or get into a fight.... However remembering that the price that was paid for RARE was low, it is possible to drop a couple and run to escape... before FSDing away.

Rare trading tops out at about 1.2m an hour. So definitely not the best. It's ideal for new players in ships with 60t or less.

After that, you're going to make more money on normal trade routes, providing you can find the right one.

My current route is 1100 and 1500, 20ly jump and 50ls/500ls. Station to station. There's a system exactly halfway between both systems so ideal for fat traders.

 

[Pilot Mark]

The best trade routes are usually a jealously guarded secret.

I remember some weeks ago finding some potentially good routes between some stations in empire space, entered them into a crowd sourced tool to identify the best route and worked it for a few hours. Next day, it had dissolved - looking at the traffic report it seems everyone had decended on it and the prices had slipped.

There are some very good routes out there, particularily if you run goods to outposts (medium pads). It is worth hunting around for them, but once you find one - keep it to yourself and milk it for as much as you can.