Traversable Area Heat Map is unreliable

Dezessete

Dezessete
Hi everyone,
yesterday I was building some new climbing structures for apes, but when I tried to test my creation by placing it inside various habitats something odd happend.
One of the "towers" is slightly higher than the others and has a feeding platform but the heatmap showed that, while a full grown male orang-utan had no problem reaching it, the other apes couldn't.
Things like this are bad on their own, because the game never tells you what is wrong. Is the ramp to steep? Is the entrance to small? You never know.
But now I also found out, that the Heatmap isn't reliable at all. I experimentet with my creation and moved the only watersources of the habitat to the unreachable platform. Suddenly the animals had no trouble of getting there even though the Heatmap showed it as unreachable.
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The whole climbing system is really unintuitive already. It's allways a matter of trial and error, but without a reliable heatmap, one can never be sure if the construction works or not.
If I can't use the Heatmap to see if something is reachable or not, the only option would be test it with moving the watersource (like I did), but this is time consuming and laborious.

Any thoughts about how to make it easier to create and test climbing areas?
 

LN

LN
Sounds like something for the Issue Tracker if it does not work as it's supposed to.

I don't use feeders on platforms and on high places, and I haven't got such a big custom climbing platform, so I don't have a different answer for you unfortunately.
 

Moosegun

Moosegun
I have no issue with some trial and error, that is a lot of what building animals habitats are about. When i put a new climbing exhibit together I spend a fair amount of time watching the animals and checking heatmaps of different ages etc. Currently building a big three tier, 5 habitat ape house, been a nightmare stopping escapes and layout out the barriers etc. but it worked out well in the end.
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Still got a lot of planting and rock work to do and only 4 of the 6 species are in but getting there
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Underneath there is a foodcourt and viewing area to lower levels of each habitat
 

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Moosegun

Moosegun
You look at the heatmap and look for area where they might be a problem, not sure if it is intentional but the animals seem to test the habitat, so they find way to get to places. The heatmap shows you where the animals can get to, so you can identify where these are. For example tree / platforms near edges or slopes which they can run up etc.
 
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Moosegun

Moosegun
Dezessete said:
But thats exactly my point. Animals seem to reach places despite the heatmap shows they can't
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Yes because it is not exact but it gives you a good idea. For me it shouldnt be exact, as it isnt an exact science in real life. You build it, have a good idea what you can do but the animals will always test it. The more complex the habitat the more chance of then finding an escape route.
 

Dezessete

Dezessete
Moosegun said:
Yes because it is not exact but it gives you a good idea. For me it shouldnt be exact, as it isnt an exact science in real life. You build it, have a good idea what you can do but the animals will always test it. The more complex the habitat the more chance of then finding an escape route.
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And here is the problem. I never know what I CAN do. There are no clues what works and what not. I just wish for more clarification on how the system works because I find it really unintuitive.
If I build something, I have no idea if the animals can reach it. The heatmap is useless if it is inaccurate. The only solution would be to move something like the waterbowl to the specific spot to see if the animals can reach them. But there has to be a better way, right?
 

Dienstbier

Dienstbier
Google Translator:

Hi, I do not know if Google translated correctly. But the green lines are the places where the animal can climb everywhere. The blue areas are where the animal runs without having to climb. And for me it looks like the animal can reach all surfaces climbing. Even where the water is. Where do you think that something is displayed wrong?


Original:
Hallo,
ich weiß nicht ob Google richtig übersetzt hat.

Aber die grünen Linien sind die Stellen wo das Tier überall entlang klettern kann.

Die blauen Flächen sind das wo das Tier problemlos läuft, ohne klettern zu müssen.

Und für mich sieht das so aus, als ob das Tier alle Flächen kletternd erreichen kann. Auch da wo das Wasser steht.

Wo findest du das etwas falsch angezeigt wird?
 

Dezessete

Dezessete
Dienstbier said:
Google Translator:

Hi, I do not know if Google translated correctly. But the green lines are the places where the animal can climb everywhere. The blue areas are where the animal runs without having to climb. And for me it looks like the animal can reach all surfaces climbing. Even where the water is. Where do you think that something is displayed wrong?


Original:
Hallo,
ich weiß nicht ob Google richtig übersetzt hat.

Aber die grünen Linien sind die Stellen wo das Tier überall entlang klettern kann.

Die blauen Flächen sind das wo das Tier problemlos läuft, ohne klettern zu müssen.

Und für mich sieht das so aus, als ob das Tier alle Flächen kletternd erreichen kann. Auch da wo das Wasser steht.

Wo findest du das etwas falsch angezeigt wird?
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Hello fellow German 😀
The green lines are something that is unclear to me. Are they really indicating that the animal can definitely climb on them? Because in my previous experience the green lines don't necessarily say that the animal is able to really climb them. I had those issues with my black bears for example. They couldn't reach certain areas, even though thei where conected with climbable materials, green lines etc.
 

Dienstbier

Dienstbier
GoogleTranslator:
So for me it has always been so, as soon as the green lines were there, it was rock solid.
If the lines were not visible, the animals did not use it.
Of course, I can be wrong, or there's a bug.

Original:
Also bei mir war es bisher immer so, sobald die grünen Linien vorhanden waren, war es kletterbar.

Waren die Linien nicht zu sehen, nutzen die Tiere es nicht.

Jedoch kann ich mich natürlich auch täuschen, oder da gibts nen Bug.
 

Dienstbier

Dienstbier
Google Translator:
I would be very happy if you report what you found out.

Original:
Ich würde mich sehr freuen, wenn du berichtest was du herausgefunden hast.
 

Dezessete

Dezessete
Dienstbier said:
Google Translator:
I would be very happy if you report what you found out.

Original:
Ich würde mich sehr freuen, wenn du berichtest was du herausgefunden hast.
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Just trapped a Blackbear in some climbing ramps. Instead of climbing out she just glitched though the corners. I blocked the corners. The green lines where still there, indicating that she could climb out. She didn't. She's dead now (dehydration). But I cant say for sure if the reason may be that I blocked the corners. :confused:

Even weirder, all of the climbing structures I build before where climbable, but didn't improve the climbable area.
 
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