If you drow a straight line from maelstrom to maelstrom... would there be a central system ?
Triangulate all the Maelstrom's
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Unless I'm mistaken, didn't the Maelstroms come from different directions? Definitely a southward bias, but I didn't think that it was possible to trace their paths back to a single origin.
No. If you draw a straight line from maelstrom to maelstrom you'll have a join the dots puzzle of a pair of glasses, or a stylised letter S, or various other shapes, depending on the order you join them in. Straight lines drawn between them won't intersect or mostly come close to intersecting anywhere.If you drow a straight line from maelstrom to maelstrom... would there be a central system ?
There are a few possible ways to measure the "centre" of the maelstroms, which all give significantly different positions.
- The point with the shortest total distance to all maelstroms. This ends up near [50, -75, -110], nearest system Trianguli Sector EL-Y b0
- Average position of all maelstroms. This is [30, -67, -94] or nearest system HIP 20218
- The centre of the smallest sphere containing all eight maelstroms. This is [13, -65, -68] or nearest system Trianguli Sector FG-Y c9
- The centre of the sphere which has all eight maelstroms close to its surface. This is [23, -50, 29] or nearest system Zeus ... though the bubble is roughly spherical and all eight maelstroms stopped on its edge, so you'd end up roughly around there wherever the eight maelstroms had gone for
Sort of. In the sense that they're on average south and low, yes. But the angular extent of the wall being built is such that it also does the same for all sorts of other significant locations in that vague direction over about a 90 degree angle: you could make exactly the same statement about Maia, California Nebula, Witch Head Nebula, Barnard's Loop/Col 70/Trapezium site, the Crab Pulsar, T Tauri, Betelgeuse, the Hesperus wreck, etc.
For HIP 22460 itself, it's not particularly centred on the wall from a bubble perspective - it's roughly behind Indra, which means that Hadad is a lot further round one way than Raijin is the other, and there's also a substantial gap between Leigong and Thor which travel to the Pleiades region is straightforward through.
Whether they're forming a wall at all - except in the sense that eight maelstroms anywhere on the same hemisphere of the bubble will inevitably form a partial wall - isn't entirely clear either. They're not prioritising trying to link up over expansion in other directions, and at current rates of expansion there'll be substantial gaps in the wall for quite a few years yet. My impression is that they're formed up offensively on the bubble, in positions which let them establish beachheads to push deeper - a defensive formation around HIP 22460 would be better positioned in a rough cube (or maybe hemisphere) around HIP 22460 itself.
It's an Octagon. This is a deathmatch between humans and bugs for all the marbles.
Some good observation. I stand corrected. Quite excited to see where all of this leads to
Is point 2 the equivalent of triangulate (octangulate?) e.g.
x : sum(x1:x8)/8
y: sum(y1:y8)/8
z : sum(z1:z8)/8
Sorry for the silly question, brain not fully in gear today
Yes, that's correct.
wait a minute
all the maelstroms are named after thunder gods
You could make 6 triangles by connecting the stargoids, "if" range is a factor...
Other than that, i've got "thunder cats"?
Other than that, i've got "thunder cats"?
Erm.
Could it be the Trianguli Sector which FDEV are hinting at, rather than literal mathematical or geometrical stuff?
sure, it could. it could also be not. see how much the raxxla thread has to show for things that 'could be' a hint stemming from coincidental math and perceived patterns.
i wouldn't read anything into the positions, chosen systems, etc. the war mechanic had to start somewhere, this is just where it did. there's no secret deeper gameplay or content.
Indeed, which is why I framed it as a question rather than an absolute
Just another possibility.
Rgds o7
The first three "centre" measurements all give points in Trianguli sector - HIP 20218 is in that sector too - so that's quite possible.
Taranis is already poking into it a little, though the others aren't close to it in that sense.
It'd also be a Frontier sort of clue - actually fairly simple, very easy to come up with massively over-complicated wrong explanations for. Might be worth a look.
Trianguli Sector itself is pretty big - a 50 LY radius sphere centred on [60, -50, -80] (roughly GCRV 3204) containing 790 systems named after the sector itself and around 1300 total systems.
If anyone does want to follow this up, then there are eight (!) Ammonia Worlds within the broader Trianguli sphere, all in inhabited systems, all in the unmasked portion of the sector, from the sector centre outwards:
1 and 5 are nicely central and just visually looking on the in-game map could be "focal" points
2, 3, 4 and 7 are believably central but not as good as 1 and 5 - though Phrygiang is in striking distance of Taranis as a potential target for a couple of its control systems, it's that far forward.
Slightly further out, but still "in sight" of Trianguli Sector systems there's also potentially
If anyone does want to follow this up, then there are eight (!) Ammonia Worlds within the broader Trianguli sphere, all in inhabited systems, all in the unmasked portion of the sector, from the sector centre outwards:
- Ibor A2
- Pemepatung 3
- Otherni A3
- Phrygiang A3
- Er Longs A4
- Recuayala 7
- CD-31 1974 C1
- HIP 30949 5
1 and 5 are nicely central and just visually looking on the in-game map could be "focal" points
2, 3, 4 and 7 are believably central but not as good as 1 and 5 - though Phrygiang is in striking distance of Taranis as a potential target for a couple of its control systems, it's that far forward.
Slightly further out, but still "in sight" of Trianguli Sector systems there's also potentially
- HR 1257 6&7 (binary AWs!)
- Argestes B4
- Opet 10
- HIP 29083 7
- Hyades Sector FB-N b7-6 A1 (I have a feeling the Thargoids are interested in this one)
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One odd question: any of those systems that you mentioned in that post have guardian sites in them? I'm toying around at two of the guardian sites looking for that "clue" mentioned earlier but if there are guardian sites within any close distance to those locations you mentioned, it would be interesting to check some of those out.
I didn't think that there were any Guardian sites within the bubble itself - closest I can find on Canonn's map is at Synuefe XR-H d11-102, about 350LY away from Trianguli.
Well that hint in the live stream has a lot of people scratching their heads over that. I know that Clara rules space as a whole thing going on about it, not sure how many people are involved, you know checking out the scratchings on some of the doors etc. I'm just not sure where to go with it.
I guess I'll just check out that site that you mentioned, probably go nowhere with it, and then jump back into the Krait and go blast thargoids again. I don't want to derail this thread over it.
Just an update, nothing "special" about that loction other than the tourist beacon. I guess any further guardian stuff is either very well hidden or won't show up until a future update. Who knows? Maybe it'll be the guardian AI and they'll determine that humans are just as dangerous as their creators were and it'll end up being us joining with the Thargoids to defeat the AI.
Oh well, back to the Krait and back to blowing up Thargoids tomorrow. Nothing personal.