General / Off-Topic Tricky Trekkie Question

[Father Cool]

That's actually more like how ED hyperspace travel actually works with it's witchspace alternate dimension/universe and gravity wells used as anchors. A Quantum Prob drive has no actual propulsive travel occuring at all during jump, you just vanish and reappear somewhere else BSG style.

I reckon a bit more of this and we will have a workable hypothesis for how ED Hyperspace travel could actually work! haha. Still don't like to rely on fabled alternative dimensions though.

 

[Minonian]

That's actually more like how ED hyperspace travel actually works with it's witchspace alternate dimension/universe and gravity wells used as anchors. A Quantum Prob drive has no actual propulsive travel occuring at all during jump, you just vanish and reappear somewhere else BSG style.

I reckon a bit more of this and we will have a workable hypothesis for how ED Hyperspace travel could actually work! haha. Still don't like to rely on fabled alternative dimensions though.

Yeah. We need more Cannon info about the hypothesis behind Elite hyperspacing. Perhaps in the elite novells and books? I can't tell no money to buy any. Or just some more in game info about the tech what we using? It can make the universe more colorful anyway.

fabled alternative dimensions? Not so much magical as you think. super string theory demands the existence of from five to nine dimensions, and quantum theory demands the existence of alternative quantum realities and so as time travel.

And yes, Q drive is a large scale long range teleporter without the need of sending, and retriving stations, unlike ST transporters.

 

[Father Cool]

Yes some canon ED data would be nice but I don't think that there is any to be honest. I certainly haven't found any regarding the hyperspace part.

Multi dimensions are not proven and may as well be the land of Mordor given current knowledge. Their existence is theoretically possible yes and string theory is a promising avenue of research, but none of it is a proven concept yet. Quantum theory does exist and work in the real world and doesn't actually demand the existence of alternate quantum realities just that this one is in constant flux unless something is observed to occur which then sets that particular variable. One may argue that up until that point multiple universes exist doing every single variable that it could do. This is not strictly the case (although the key here is "could possibly do") as the probability waves cancel out the ones that are least likely to occur and when observed, not necessarily by us but by anything that depends on it, it will be set at the most likely position and vector of the particles given the probability waves interpretation of the surrounding universe. So really yes there are probabilities that crazy stuff will happen but the laws of probability ensure that they don't. I think the quoted odds of a particle spontaneously teleporting itself to somewhere distant and we are talking only a few hundred particle diameters away which to all intents and purposes may as well be 100LY away to the particle given its size are something akin to 1 jump in 10 trillion years or something (don't quote me on that, I don't know the actual figure off the top of my head but it's in the trillions I know that much).

 

[Minonian]

A solid theory is good enough in a Sci - Fi game universe.
But not on reality.

Edit; About the multi wavelength idea? you need this so the grav well shadow from your original dimension can still affect you, and drag you back, because without complete wavelength shift you are not became completely untethered from your original dimension. And this cancel out the multiwave state. except if you decide to maintain and keep moving, what's possible because? the shadow is significantly weaker than the real world gravity.

And the way i imagine Witchspace? It's the boundary between 2 dimension, or alternative reality. Pick your choice.

 

[Father Cool]

I think that we have to assume that any "lets call it alternate reality" (as extra dimension doesn't sit well with me in these types of problems. Extra dimensions, especially in string theory, are actually very much physical entities in our universe except so small that they exist all around us but are too small to see. We can't just hop into one and use it as an alternate reality) occupies the same spacetime as ours only shrouded or out of phase somehow so that we don't directly perceive it. In that way we can hypothesis that they are intrinsically linked through the fabric of spacetime and any distortion of the medium such as a gravity well from a massive star or a smaller one from a moon should in theory translate to a similar effect on this side and vica versa. That could allow us in our ships while utilising Witchspace to lock onto these distortions and use them to navigate.

Maybe gravitational distortion from an alternate reality is the source of the effects we see today as Dark Matter. Who knows!

 

[Minonian]

Agreed. The only question is The dev's and Elite Canon are agree with us?

 

[Father Cool]

I am not sure. I haven't read any "canon" material to know. However just because the story is written by someone and approved by FD doesn't necessarily mean it follows some pre written laws of the Elite universe. Maybe someone with more knowledge about the Lore can help here?

 

[Minonian]

I think the problem is we have no real written lore in the elite universe. At least the lack of any detailed backround information point toward this.
We got some historic timeline a few important characters, and we know how they affected to the universe but that's all!

Things like in GNN have some effect so as the past, but for their part i do suggest to make an amalach, to this things and thus make possible to keep track how the things goes, what's what?

Rule, role, Lore, tech ingame Science, characters, history, ects ects.

What they need is a good storyteller to make this part of the game breathing and alive.