Tritium as fuel

[alexzk]

We need things to be done urgent:
1. Remote/auto cargo-> tank refuel. We have NPC assigned already!
2. Implement "mining crew" who will fill TANK ONLY. Speed / delays / availability must depend on:
- if current system has a ring

• distance from carrier to ring
• spots on ring
• amount of NPC assigned to task (each 1 for extra price). 1 npc should do about 200t/hr at best (as humans do),

3. Once (1) and (2) are done - rollback all fixes for tritium spawns. Currently it is insane - in tripple LTD spot you will be finding 1 ltd rock per 20-30 mins. Most of others "yellow" will be tritium + some other trash. It is urgent needed if you want to nerf "egg farm".

 

[Northpin]

Auto-play features?

 

[alexzk]

Auto-play features?

This is not autoplay. This is avoid for micromanagement. This game is another scale. No need to mine an hour for 1 jump.
You still have to go ahead, find rings, plot route there. Make a choice - put FC on star orbit and wait trit delivery for 15 mins or jump directly to rings at 150000ls.
That what explorer should do. And if he wants - he may mine too for relax in parallel with crew.

Most important number 3 though. Go try to find deeps for LTD in new borann. I feel like I came there for tritium. 1 to 40 ratio about. 40 rocks with trit per 1 with ltd.

 

[Northpin]

So there is nothing wrong with tritium mining? apparently there is plenty of tritium to be mined
And mining 1h for a 500 ly jump seems fair for me. Carriers are not racers.

 

[alexzk]

So there is nothing wrong with tritium mining? apparently there is plenty of tritium to be mined
And mining 1h for a 500 ly jump seems fair for me. Carriers are not racers.

You think like man who never quit the bubble. Or plays 4 hrs/day.
There are other scenarios. 120 hrs of pure mining without single credit earned (and salaries paid) is required to move carrier from beagle point back to bubble.
Now imagine I would like to circle around galaxy. It is 300 000 ly at least way.
...damn, even delivering from station full carrier takes 4-5 hours.

And yes, it is wrong. Current tritium broke ALL other icy mining. And still not effective as we need. They must reverse it to restore LTD/Opals/etc, and then that will be 1200hrs not 120.
Just because they tried to make tritium viable through manual mining (1 hr for 500ly) they broke everything. Problems are coming every day. Last one - whole server mine SINGLE rock. And cheat on that. Why ? Because to find another rock will take 20 mins because of tritium.

 

[Northpin]

Now imagine I would like to circle around galaxy. It is 300 000 ly at least way.

120 hrs of pure mining without single credit earned (and salaries paid) is required to move carrier from beagle point back to bubble.

You are trying to achieve something doing it the hard way, then complain it is hard.


Kinda reminds me of Dune 2 when i was trying to beat the computer by advancing with my base (and cannon/rocket turrets) right into it's base.

 

[ALEX CAOS]

wrong thread

 

[alexzk]

You are trying to achieve something doing it the hard way, then complain it is hard.


Kinda reminds me of Dune 2 when i was trying to beat the computer by advancing with my base (and cannon/rocket turrets) right into it's base.

20000 ly around bubble - no matter. Nobody mine tritium so close. Except (3) - being in current state tritium broke everything else because shifted chances to appear itself.
More then 20000 .. it's 1 way go for current FC. Nobody sane will spend 120 hrs to go back - so it's hard.

 

[Friedenreich Xante]

We need things to be done urgent:
1. Remote/auto cargo-> tank refuel. We have NPC assigned already!
2. Implement "mining crew" who will fill TANK ONLY. Speed / delays / availability must depend on:
- if current system has a ring

• distance from carrier to ring
• spots on ring
• amount of NPC assigned to task (each 1 for extra price). 1 npc should do about 200t/hr at best (as humans do),

3. Once (1) and (2) are done - rollback all fixes for tritium spawns. Currently it is insane - in tripple LTD spot you will be finding 1 ltd rock per 20-30 mins. Most of others "yellow" will be tritium + some other trash. It is urgent needed if you want to nerf "egg farm".

I like the mining crew, but why do you look for tritium in triple LTD spots?

 

[varonica]

So there is nothing wrong with tritium mining? apparently there is plenty of tritium to be mined
And mining 1h for a 500 ly jump seems fair for me. Carriers are not racers.

I really don't like mining, so I won't be doing it, the mining effectively turns a 5 minute cool down and 15 minute windup to a 5 minute cool down and 1hr and 15 minute windup, but keep in mind that's for experienced miners in a good hot spot, double or triple that time for an inexperienced miner. So 5 minute cooldown, 3h 15m windup.

 

[Northpin]

I really don't like mining, so I won't be doing it, the mining effectively turns a 5 minute cool down and 15 minute windup to a 5 minute cool down and 1hr and 15 minute windup, but keep in mind that's for experienced miners in a good hot spot, double or triple that time for an inexperienced miner. So 5 minute cooldown, 3h 15m windup.

Well... that's the price to pay if someone wants to explore with the base.
No hidden costs to do it in an AspX/Phantom or DBX/Anaconda.

And we all sucked hard at mining in the beginning... For example i had a really hard time trying to stay awake while laser-mining... The lazors humming had a really strong soporific effect on me. I really hate it... until it started to grow on me.
For quite a while the only mining i could do was deep-core

 

[varonica]

Well... that's the price to pay if someone wants to explore with the base.
No hidden costs to do it in an AspX/Phantom or DBX/Anaconda.

And we all sucked hard at mining in the beginning... For example i had a really hard time trying to stay awake while laser-mining... The lazors humming had a really strong soporific effect on me. I really hate it... until it started to grow on me.
For quite a while the only mining i could do was deep-core

Well that's pretty much irrelevant, I am not mining ever to refuel and FC, but FDEV seem to have linked FC's to mining so really only people who like mining are suited to FC's, unless they always stay in the bubble and buy all their Tritium. My method for utilising a FC will be to buy one, fill it up with Tritium, and when it runs out of fuel decommission it and buy a new one. It seems bizarre that FDEV implementation encourages that sort of behaviour.

 

[alexzk]

I like the mining crew, but why do you look for tritium in triple LTD spots?

I don't. It happens. I look for LTD and find tritium only
People say it's ok, bla-bla. I guess they didn't mine 6 months ago. When you had good price on VO/LTD and ring with it 80ls away from buying station. You just drop in that ring and get 128t in 1 hour without double/tripple etc stuff. Just normal mining as intended. Now it went to hell.

 

[alexzk]

Then you are killing this wonderful game loop I've found with the carriers. The whole story is in my sig. Where is your 'story' or how do you imagine these changes would create stories?

Don't buy that module and keep doing as you do.
I don't need stories. My story is - this house moves and I mine there only LTD to repay on return

 

[alexzk]

This limits your options as you need to very accurately calculate the whole journey if you don't want to strand on the way back. You might be 10 times faster than me but I never won't have to take care about such considerations. There won't be any limits for me as I don't depend on any external support.

Yes, you explain how my module works They mine fuel, you plot a course.

 

[alexzk]

Well that's pretty much irrelevant, I am not mining ever to refuel and FC, but FDEV seem to have linked FC's to mining so really only people who like mining are suited to FC's, unless they always stay in the bubble and buy all their Tritium. My method for utilising a FC will be to buy one, fill it up with Tritium, and when it runs out of fuel decommission it and buy a new one. It seems bizarre that FDEV implementation encourages that sort of behaviour.

I do mining though....however single thought kills all pleasure: "here I mine tritium Nt/hr. There I can mine LTD Nt/hr. Price is 1 to 40". At this point I quit mine tritium

 

[alexzk]

I'm very familiar with this sort of mindset, don't worry. And yet, I give a crap about any xxx/hr considerations. At least I have proven to be able to avoid burn out effects. On the very long run...

It seems to me that FDev never designed the FCs the way some of us seem to have wanted them. Good luck changing their minds.

ideas (1) and (2) - both at once - could allow separate runs. For example you're flying fast but longer way by outer radius and FC goes short but slow through the center and you meet each other somewhere on Beagle Point.
Any way ... i'm thinking to park FC, remove all optional service and leave it in bubble for long.
I do 5000 ly run - 2 damn days already. I was on carrier just to add tritium. All other way I still use Anaconda. Well, I found Black Box and stored on carrier. 20000 reward!
All that is kinda too slow for me.

 

[alexzk]

What do you think a fast trip has to offer that a slow one does not?

Well, switching "todo" mostly I like all activities, so start to miss em soon. So from this point mining in space is great idea. Except I would mine LTD to repay on return instead cheap tritium which will burn into engine.
Also, I plan end points. For example now I visit all CD- catalog stars (not all, just interesting like giants). That requires something like 30000ly way from my current location. Of course I want to get there faster. So I just parked FC in the middle of all that and going by NS boosts. But I would love if FC could follow me itself. (number (1) needed at least).

 

[alexzk]

Yes, you are different. Nonetheless, have fun!
Btw, that laser mining is dead is either fake news or outdated.
I find LTD cores in Tritium Hot spots that I take to the bubble and hopefully make some good coin before the final lift off (money doesn't stink, so the saying. but money doesn't weight is all what matters)...

Yeh..tired to explain in other topic ... yes you can find, yes you can laser .. .but damn chances got lower. Same as casino. Tritium become "zero sector" of roulette. It shifts chances in such a way that you will find it much more then anything else. So once you see 10 yellows in front of you, you cannot be sure 1 has LTD as it was old days. So this slow downs process. also I got unlucky couple times - zero LTD cores / ssd during 20+mins. That just pushed me to stop waste time.
Any way, this topic is mostly about new miners team. Once it done they can fix tritium, make it's chances to be same as any other.

I just fast calculated ... mining 700t of tritium is time comparable to deliver those 700t on my T9 from shop for 4000ly 1 way. ... ....

 

[alexzk]

Yeah we can stop it if you want. Just one thing... I think you are wrong, it never worked that way. Content for laser mining was never marked by pulse wave scans. It doesn't exclude yellow glowing, but most of the times you would find them exactly like in the really old days, when there was still nothing but laser mining. You are most likely looking at the wrong things and - if your observation with the roulette would be true, I'd be a very rich commander now.

Until just recently I was mainly using all other mining methods but found laser mining utterly boring. On the positive side, with lack of experience also came lack of preconceptions. I also never grinded in Borann where there seemed to have build up some very strange and unnatural conditions that many people now consider the 'new normal'.

I'm just saying something wrong with chances. Didn't count but lets say there are 10 icy minerals including trit. So once i'm in LTD spot if I scan 10 rocks (yellow!, because only for yellows chances are changed. For non-yellows concentration is changed by spot!) I expect to find 2 of 10 to be LTD. And it was so for long. Now it seems broken. Because it will be at least 3 of 10 tritium even in LTD spot. And well, other 7 will not have LTD for long. That is expected fair chancing actually if they rised tritium huge.
However ... what they really want is to sacrifice all other chances except current spot and tritium. That will be "fair" from mining point. I.e. 2 of 10 LTD, 3 of 10 trit, and another 5 are other stuff.

Maybe they took another way - addition. For example random throws - here should be 2 yellows both LTD for me, then tritium throws - 5 more tritium yellows. now I see 7 rocks. But damn, that makes my mining worse, because i just got more unknown options to check instead plain 2 ltd.