Type 10 Defender, is it a part of the Big Three or not?

TrailBlazer 143 · Nov 14, 2018

I've seen multiple opinions and comments about how and why the Type-10 Defender is or isn't a part of the "Big" club.

I would agree that it shouldn't have been a part of the "Big" club on release due to the Power Distributor but with the size increase, I would say it's about to time to induct it as it can stack up against the others in Combat, Exploration, Trade, and Mining.

But I ask You, should it or shouldn't it be in the Club, why or why not?
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I say it should.

-Great Armor
-Great Jump Range
-Highest Burst Damage
-Great Hard Points/Placements
-Highest Hull Mass for Ramming
-Good Shields
-Versatile

I think "Big Four" should be the new term.
I would argue to add the Beluga Liner, but not until the restrictions on the internals are lifted, then "Big Five" should be the new term.

Kaybe · Nov 14, 2018

TrailBlazer 143 said:
I've seen multiple opinions and comments about how and why the Type-10 Defender is or isn't a part of the "Big" club.

I would agree that it shouldn't have been a part of the "Big" club on release due to the Power Distributor but with the size increase, I would say it's about to time to induct it as it can stack up against the others in Combat, Exploration, Trade, and Mining.

But I ask You, should it or shouldn't it be in the Club, why or why not?

"The Big Three" is an old term from a time when only three really impressive large pad ships existed. With the great cargo buff to the Type 9, and the general power of the Type 10, it's time to call it "The Big Five". Until another powerhouse is released, lol.

Wolfe3 · Nov 14, 2018

Dont forget the Beluga

777Driver · Nov 14, 2018

TrailBlazer 143 said:
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But I ask You, should it or shouldn't it be in the Club, why or why not?
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Do you actually care about some weird club that was invented years ago? What exactly changes by saying the 'Big 4, or big 5 etc etc....

Koen · Nov 14, 2018

Ah, this thread again.

TrailBlazer 143 · Nov 14, 2018

Wolfe3 said:
Dont forget the Beluga

Once the Restrictions on the internals are lifted, I could see it being a part of the "Big" Club. The Type-10 had the class 6 Power Distributor, which was a restriction on combat builds.

The Beluga is the Biggest in its line of Passenger Ships, but it restrictions kill it as Versatility in more than one role is what "Big" is about IMO.

777Driver · Nov 14, 2018

TrailBlazer 143 said:
The Beluga is the Biggest in its line of Passenger Ships, but it restrictions kill it as Versatility in more than one role is what "Big" is about IMO.

The Beluga doesn't have restrictions anymore. There are six large pad ships in this game, one is lighter than some med pad ships.. Talking about the big 3 or 4 is never going to change that.

Strangepork · Nov 14, 2018

TrailBlazer 143 said:
I've seen multiple opinions and comments about how and why the Type-10 Defender is or isn't a part of the "Big" club.

I would agree that it shouldn't have been a part of the "Big" club on release due to the Power Distributor but with the size increase, I would say it's about to time to induct it as it can stack up against the others in Combat, Exploration, Trade, and Mining.

But I ask You, should it or shouldn't it be in the Club, why or why not?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I say it should.

-Great Armor
-Great Jump Range
-Highest Burst Damage
-Great Hard Points/Placements
-Highest Hull Mass for Ramming
-Good Shields
-Versatile

I think "Big Four" should be the new term.

Urm, that would be difficult. The big four, or more?

Aashenfox · Nov 14, 2018

Anaconda
Corvette
Cutter
Beluga
T9
T10

Big 6 or big 3, I don't mind which you use. There are no other definitions for me.

777Driver said:
The Beluga doesn't have restrictions anymore. There are six large pad ships in this game, one is lighter than some med pad ships.. Talking about the big 3 or 4 is never going to change that.

*9 large pad ships.

Orca
Type 7
Clipper

777Driver · Nov 14, 2018

Aashenfox said:
Anaconda
Corvette
Cutter
Beluga
T9
T10

Big 6 or big 3, I don't mind which you use. There are no other definitions for me.

*9 large pad ships.

Orca
Type 7
Clipper

Awww yeah. Need to get myself an Orca, and totally forgot how minuscule that massive T7 looks when sat on a the L pad.

RamirezKurita · Nov 14, 2018

It's priced within the range of the other main big ships, but it doesn't really match up to their performance in most metrics. Its only advantage is the large number of hardpoints, but in practice it suffers from being the worst freighter due to a combination of poor cargo and poor jump range, being more expensive than the Anaconda once outfitted due to the larger FSD and in combat it is let down by its relatively poor shields (even with a class 8) and its meagre class 7 distributor. It's pretty much a blend of the very worst aspects of the Anaconda, Corvette and Cutter.

GunnerBill · Nov 14, 2018

Doesn't the "Big 3" referring to Cutter, Corvette and Anaconda presume a level of combat effectiveness?

Grisnir · Nov 14, 2018

RamirezKurita said:
It's priced within the range of the other main big ships, but it doesn't really match up to their performance in most metrics. Its only advantage is the large number of hardpoints, but in practice it suffers from being the worst freighter due to a combination of poor cargo and poor jump range, being more expensive than the Anaconda once outfitted due to the larger FSD and in combat it is let down by its relatively poor shields (even with a class 8) and its meagre class 7 distributor. It's pretty much a blend of the very worst aspects of the Anaconda, Corvette and Cutter.

well, the Guardian shield booster fix the shield problems mostly, in PvE you can make the ship work, but a buff would be nice
like less brickish

GJ51 · Nov 14, 2018

777Driver said:
Awww yeah. Need to get myself an Orca, and totally forgot how minuscule that massive T7 looks when sat on a the L pad.

Orca with the Black Friday paint job

Best ship available

The best of the "Big Nine."

IndigoWyrd · Nov 14, 2018

Wolfe3 said:
Dont forget the Beluga

They always do.

777Driver · Nov 14, 2018

IndigoWyrd said:
They always do.

Thing is, who is they? The same 5 people on Reddit that use the term 'Big 3'?

Nadreck · Nov 14, 2018

I've generally assumed the phrase referred to the biggest warships rather than the biggest ships. So I don't really think of my Beluga or T9 as qualifying.

But I also have both a T10 and a Cutter, and I think they both qualify. They have the same size 7 PD, so that can't disqualify the T10 without also disqualifying the Cutter. And while the Cutter has the best shields, the T10 has the best armour: I haven't bothered with HRP's, so I can stack SRP's (and one MRP just in case).

No Huge hardpoint, but more hardpoints overall than any other ship. Slow, so you do have to rely on enemies coming to you, therefore better in PvE.

IndigoWyrd · Nov 14, 2018

GunnerBill said:
Doesn't the "Big 3" referring to Cutter, Corvette and Anaconda presume a level of combat effectiveness?

Nope.

Anaconda can be bought within a few hours. Corvette and Cutter within a few days, all without ever having fired a single shot.

mikekim · Nov 14, 2018

You can get any Ship in the game without during a single shot, or even equipping any weapon.

RamirezKurita · Nov 14, 2018

Grisnir said:
well, the Guardian shield booster fix the shield problems mostly, in PvE you can make the ship work, but a buff would be nice
like less brickish

Shield boosters can also be equipped on the Corvette, Cutter and Anaconda. While it is true that the T10 can equip slightly more of them than the Corvette, they aren't anywhere near capable of overcoming the difference in base shield capacity once shield boosters are accounted for.