UFO disclosure from US? On the eve of 2.1 Thargoids?

newman1702

newman1702
Even without considering the source, which is quite on the yellow side of things (if and when the existence of alien life is confirmed, I highly doubt we'll learn about it through the Mirror)... color me skeptical. Even if the UFO claims were true, which I highly doubt, there is no way this info would ever be released to the public. Governments want people to think they're in control, and the existence of something way beyond their control is not something they'd ever make public without ET actually landing and asking "does this planet have outfitting, I swear this tiny fuel scoop is killing me..." :)

The more yellow the media, the more likelyhood of them "knowing" what some future announcement will be all about. They did the same when NASA said it had a groundbreaking announcement and all the tabloids immediately "knew" it would be life on Mars, when it was really about the existence of life on Earth in areas previously thought impossible to support it, which may have implications for the search for life on other planets but is hardly conclusive evidence of it. Temper your expectations - it's the key to no disappointment. In the mean time.. "Told you so" drive charging... ;)
 
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dognosh

dognosh
If it is true :
USA(NSA CIA FBI etc.) works on a need to know policy, if he sings like a bird it won't be significant.
Our PM "will do the same after Obama does his announcement" , if true then I love our lapdog status(sarcasm)
 

Mitch Brewer

Mitch Brewer
The last line says it all.

“If there’s nothing there, let’s tell people there’s nothing there. If there is something there, unless it’s a threat to national security, we ought to share it.”

Translation-It is all weather balloons. Move along, nothing to see here.

I have an open mind about UFO's but I don't have an open mind that the government would actually reveal that they know anything about them.
 

Cdr Voorheez

Cdr Voorheez
Joking aside (and I was joking honestly:)) I am of an open mind too regarding UFO's (me and my wife have seen one), I've also served in the military for 21 years and know exactly how these things pan out...we (the public) will get to know what they (military/gov't/intelligence agencies) want us to know.
 
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newman1702

newman1702
The problem with UFO-logy in general is that it largely relies on the "I want to believe" factor, leaning almost exclusively on eyewitness accounts and hypnosis to access "repressed memories" - these are by and large the least reliable forms of evidence to the point where science just flats out rejects them. The human mind is extremely good at seeing what it wants to see - a product of our evolution which has served us well for the most part, allowing us to see useful patterns where they don't actually exist, but it can also get in the way of determining the truth. This inherent unreliability of human perception is exactly why science has built in verification methods that UFO claims never seem to be able to pass through.

I'm not saying ET hasn't visited us, but there is no conclusive, empirical evidence of it. Let's assume, for the moment, that the whole UFO thing is and always has been in our minds and there's nothing to this "phenomenon". Now imagine you're the government that knows this - you can't win here; if you stay silent, people who want to believe will accuse you of being a part of conspiracy to cover up the truth. If you open your mouth to say "it's nothing, the Roswell crash was actually something called project Mogul, here's the information", people who want to believe will - you guessed it - still say you're covering it up. You might even conclude that when people see something unidentified in the sky, it can be kind of useful for them to think it's aliens rather than your new, top secret stealth airplane being test flown out of Nevada :)

In light of that, the behavior of world governments regarding UFO's is exactly what I'd expect it to be if there was nothing to the story. Doesn't prove they're not here, either, but to me keeping an open mind means a healthy dose of skepticism as well. Without that to anchor us in reality we as humans have a tendency to float away where our dreams and desires take us - which can be a comfortable fantasy, but a fantasy nonetheless.

My hopes are a bit more grounded - I don't expect humanity to make contact with an alien civilization while I'm alive, but I do hope we can confirm the existence of alien life on places like Europa before I kick the bucket. Knowing that I can go to the grave safe in my assumption that the universe never makes one of anything, and somewhere out there is some intelligent being asking the same question we are; am I alone?
 
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[VR] optimal_909

[VR] optimal_909
newman1702 said:
The problem with UFO-logy in general is that it largely relies on the "I want to believe" factor, leaning almost exclusively on eyewitness accounts and hypnosis to access "repressed memories"
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There was a graph on The Economist about UFO sightings, what time of the day those occurred. It turned out, that during late evening there was a spike - that's when people drink. :)


I agree by the way, the "I want to believe" is more like a religion. UFOs tend to look like a futuristic design of the given era (see the chrome UFOs of the 60s), and I never accepted the notion that ETs must be humanoids.
 

Varrag

Varrag
I don't think that there is anything to be hidden. If there is, someone would have leaked hard evidence into the general public long ago. State administration is not that professional, uniform, disciplined block as we might think.
 

Kyokushin

Kyokushin
I completely do not know why they are keeping The Aliens in secret.

What will change in Your life a fact about alien existence? Completely nothing. Same as today, tomorrow you will also go to work, sun will shine, rain will fall, you eat a dinner, play Elite and go to sleep.

IF they exist they are neutral or friendly to us, in other case we would not to have a possibility to write anything there... so if they dont care about us so much, a knowledge about them will not change our lifes. Some folks say 'wow' and thats all. Nothing exclusive.

A bit of interesting lecture:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
 
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Traveller_GG

Traveller_GG
Kyokushin said:
I completely do not know why they are keeping The Aliens in secret.

What will change in Your life a fact about alien existence? Completely nothing. Same as today, tomorrow you will also go to work, sun will shine, rain will fall, you eat a dinner, play Elite and go to sleep.

IF they exist they are neutral or friendly to us, in other case we would not to have a possibility to write anything there... so if they dont care about us so much, a knowledge about them will not change our lifes. Some folks say 'wow' and thats all. Nothing exclusive.

A bit of interesting lecture:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
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I think you under-estimate the reaction of the religious types... quotes such as "made in the God's image" and a massive predilection to being the "chosen ones" and so on... If 'God' made the world then how does the Bible explain another world bearing sentient life that will almost certainly look nothing like us? It can't. The effect on the close-minded will likely be outright rejection and violence.
 

newman1702

newman1702
Traveller_GG said:
I think you under-estimate the reaction of the religious types... quotes such as "made in the God's image" and a massive predilection to being the "chosen ones" and so on... If 'God' made the world then how does the Bible explain another world bearing sentient life that will almost certainly look nothing like us? It can't. The effect on the close-minded will likely be outright rejection and violence.
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In addition to that, if the existence of a civilization that is well beyond us, well aware of us and capable of reaching us is ever confirmed, then I doubt that any amount of evidence that they're peaceful and don't intend to meddle in our affairs would be enough for some people. You're talking panic, a meteoric rise in alien abduction reports, and pretty much blaming aliens for anything and everything from that point on. Governments don't like to lose control, and the existence of something so much more powerful than they are would certainly change how people perceive their own, terrestrial governments.

Still, this is all theoretical, while I very much doubt we're alone in the universe I also doubt we've been visited. It's not impossible, but as Carl Sagan was fond of saying.. extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I have no problem believing someone when they say they saw a UFO - where U stands for unidentified - but it's a huge leap from seeing something in the sky you can't quite explain to being able to prove it's a Reticulan mothership come to do some probing in dark, cavernous spaces :)
 
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verminstar

Banned
verminstar
I was in the army long enough to know that mr and mrs public are not aware of a great many things...

That being said, I would have to say that I not only believe that such a things as aliens exist, but that they have known about us for some considerable time. I would go so far as to say I am a believer...much like those with a faith in a deity they don't need physical evidence to justify, I don't have even a whiff of evidence to support my belief...but I believe it nonetheless.

Do I believe the local rag knows something that every other government doesn't know? If people really knew how the "free press" really worked, they wouldn't ask such silly questions as there really is very little actual "freedom" in what they can and cannot print. This is nothing more than a sales drive by creating a drama where a drama currently does not exist.

Wise man once asked, "How do you make the modern educated person come to the conclusion that a truth is a lie?"...The answer came from an 8 year old..."Make the truth sound so fantastic that it becomes unbelievable"
 

dognosh

dognosh
Life outside the solar system ? most certainly
Complex life outside the solar system ? most certainly
Civilisation (like ours) outside the solar system ? yes
Super advanced Civilisation (much more advanced than ours) ? yes

The very rough estimate is 10^24 stars in our Universe, not including the planets(many think there could be more planets than stars, dunno)
The question isn't whether there are others in our Universe, but with the vast distances, will we ever encounter them ?
 

Vasious

Vasious
If the can cross the universe to visit us, then imagine how much they can help with the next season of ED

Cant complain about the flight model if it comes from a real flying Saucer
 

Karla

Karla
Kyokushin said:
What will change in Your life a fact about alien existence? Completely nothing. Same as today, tomorrow you will also go to work, sun will shine, rain will fall, you eat a dinner, play Elite and go to sleep.
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In terms of science though it would be amazing. For a start we'd know that faster than light travel is possible, and would also tell us that there are other more efficient ways to generate huge amounts of energy.

Just knowing that something is possible can be a massive spur to do the research. It removes a lot of risk. Imagine if we were told today that it is possible to get fusion power working, we just have to find out how.

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newman1702 said:
and pretty much blaming aliens for anything and everything from that point on.
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The aliens ate my homework.
 

Mengy

Mengy
I believe in extraterrestrial life, given the size of the universe it is a mathematical certainty. But have we been visited by such life? Scientifically we have no compelling evidence to support this, and if such evidence exists then it has been hidden from the public eye, so until such time arrives that we have evidence I will remain in the agnostic area on the subject.
 
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