General / Off-Topic Uk schools PREVENT terrorism :P

[Sooden]

Oh boy...

be 15, tell a off color joke and have political views that are not main steam, and your a terror suspect

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...-ukip-activist-prevent-anti-terror-programme/

Not hyperbole, 'Prevent' is an organisation to which you report worrying activity to that may relate to terrorism.

'Section 406 also forbids ‘the promotion of partisan political views in the teaching of any subject in the school.’
It is time for an end to persecution of normal teenagers simply for not conforming to the politically correct opinions of their left-wing teachers.'

quote from link.

No wonder kids are coming out of school only thinking one way. not there fault. if they have a different opinion, they get warn!

Why is this important?

Teachers should not be controlling the political views of minors... If anyone should be biasing a minors views, it's the parents. there are 2 main reasons;

1) its not their job, there are here to teach and its against section 406 of 'The Education Act'

2) Political views are normally a binding subject in family (also religion, another thing teacher are not meant to preach). if their family also have the same views, and there teacher are telling them other ways, this put the child in the middle of he teachers (who he is told to respect as they know stuff) and their parents (who they love).

Because the leftist will say why this is nothing.. to save time;

-No, i would not vote of UKIP, they are not a well formed party, and don't think they could run the UK.
-This is freedom of speech. where one opinion is being stopped, where other are not (on so meany subjects).
- the child should have been told it was not appropriate to bring in leaflets*1, and maybe detention (lunch time , where you do lines of text 'i will not joke') for their crude joke (don't know what he said)... That's what used to happen

1*) if its true the teacher at that school are expressing there political views as school but don't allow a student, this is very worrying... not just against the 'Act', but its hypocritical and abuse of there power and trust.

I have said before (not here) that kids need to video their teacher when they start expressing political views to minors (and it happening). It needs to be reported.

So my question to you.... should teacher be forming minors political views?

 

[FuzzySpider]

Breitbart...

...Breitbart.

One day, there is going to be a fancy name for people who believe the likes of Breitbart. Anyway, Breitbart are actually suffering badly due to their antics:

https://digiday.com/media/breitbart...0-percent-three-months-trumps-troubles-mount/

Hopefully their days are numbered. Give me the worlds tiniest violin.

 

[Sooden]

Breitbart...

...Breitbart.

One day, there is going to be a fancy name for people who believe the likes of Breitbart. Anyway, Breitbart are actually suffering badly due to their antics:

https://digiday.com/media/breitbart...0-percent-three-months-trumps-troubles-mount/

Hopefully their days are numbered. Give me the worlds tiniest violin.

so nothing to add what relates eh? just telling people where they should not get their news?

NBC (proven to be fake news,the exploding car, and they had to apologies) CNN (proven to fake news) and then the other that report on their stories... you are very well programmed

oh well, i expect more of the trendies to jump in with your pointless replies... was expected


Rather than tackle the story, or even look into it to check it validity (if is not real, I would like to know, but that not what your worried about), you go after the messenger, Breitbart, as the subject is not one you like.

kneejerk reaction to shoot down its validity (doesn't matter if it's a concern, or someone being wronged, your believes have been challenged, and you panic)... I don't now if its because you don't like me, don't like the story or, are so programmed to shoot down Breitbart that, that's your first reaction.

your not being reasonable.

ADDED;

on the reasonable side of things

The child reported his story directly to Breitbart London. I guess is the only people he though would listen... wonder why that is?

So, before you go , 'the story is invalid because of where it came from'. maybe disprove it first, else you are just ignoring a real issue. and that's a shame. I care about others,not just myself, but i know a lot here don't so , relating to the topic a question i asked;

'So my question to you.... should teacher be forming minors political views?'

 

[lysan]

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'So my question to you.... should teacher be forming minors political views?'

No!

no politics, no religion in schools, these topics will always be tinted by the teachers own opinions.

 

[JonnyC0mbat]

Teachers should not impose their political views on children. They should be facilitating a discussion where all views get represented.

A constructive argument should be allowed to prevent the sort of thing we see all too commonly now (people only associating with others of identical views and refusing to listen to counter arguments).

They should also be able to demonstrate that even though you hold a view, that view is not set in stone, and you don't close off your mind to someone who disagrees.

It's far too common for people to become entrenched in their beliefs, and are unable to concede when they are wrong.

The same goes for religion. An open discussion is healthy.

Nip it in the bud while they are young.

 

[Becks]

So my question to you.... should teacher be forming minors political views?

Way to vague of a question.

Yes, a teacher, maybe not in subjects like english, maths or unrelated subjects (although ethics in biology and sciences in general are pretty important) should definitely portray different politics, their effects and their reasons if it's relevant to the subject and the topics within the current lesson. That's bound to happen in subjects like history or civics.

It's pretty much impossible to avoid that having an influence on a minors political opinion.

What a teacher should not do is turn his classroom into an election campaign by prefering or advocating a certain political view. Teachers should be allowed and should actively oppose the political views of their minors if they're obviously racist, sexist or against the basic principles of our society though ("Human rights should be abolished.", "We are not all equal.", etc).

TL;DR unbiased political education yes (although you could argue that the curricula is controlled by the governmental party and thus not unbiased, but that's a problem of the system), biased influence of the teachers personal opinion no.

 

[Minonian]

If i remember correctly In the UK terror attacks 2 of the attackers was a teacher. I wonder, why is that? (no i'm not..) We have the "luck" to first handedly know how messed up some of the teachers head and "morals" are right?

And if something like this tolerated by the school system, and we have multiple attackers too? We can suspect these are not just a rare exception.
Also? Not just the political viewpoint matter but also the morals, and life philosophy, what a teacher gives to the childs, the kind of behavior what he encourages, and smothers. And this in some cases?

Yeah... I know! they are considered as nice guys. Now... What we call nice is a matter of subject right? And if a society is banged up from the bottom to the top?

 

[Zmidponk]

so nothing to add what relates eh? just telling people where they should not get their news?

NBC (proven to be fake news,the exploding car, and they had to apologies) CNN (proven to fake news) and then the other that report on their stories... you are very well programmed

Are you referring to the 1992 NBC story about exploding Chevys that was shown to be false? If so, the fact you have to go that far back to find NBC's 'fake news' means I'll take your assertion that CNN is 'proven fake news' with a very large grain of salt. Breitbart, on the other hand, is notorious for deceptively editing videos or simply making things up to create a story, with the last big one being in January this year, where they reported that, during the New Year celebrations, a mob of 1,000 men chanted 'Allahu Akbar' whilst they attacked police and set fire to St Reinold's Church in Dortmund. Whilst there was a gathering of about 1,000 people at the church, this was nothing unusual, and, whilst there was an accident which burned a safety net, the church itself was not even in any danger, and police reported an 'average to quiet' New Year's Eve.

As for this story itself, it is very difficult to actually verify it at all - all references to it seem to lead back to this one article, and, going by this article, Breitbart have made zero effort to verify it themselves, even through something as simple, straightforward and obvious as asking the school their side of things. Regardless of the actual facts, whatever they turn out to be, this article does expose, yet again, that Breitbart is the home of shockingly bad journalism.

 

[Ian Skippy]

LOL

"That newsagency apologized for making a mistake over two decades ago, so I will believe that other agency that lies day after day and never apologizes. You are all sheeple! Fake news! Fake news!"

Anyway, yeah, whatever. Its all terrible, get your pitchforks, politcal correctness gone mad, doomsday is upon us, christmas is under attack!!! No need to fact check anything.

[haha]

 

[Leper Messiah]

Off the top of my head for fake bull left wing "news", Isreali war ship firing on a beach and killing kids, BBC reporter showed basically a big hole in the sand with wailing muslims.....no scorch marks or evidence of an explosion and it was bull...saw a report of a "cuise" missile impact in a muslim market, the "crater" was a couple of inches deep and about a metre wide..also reported by BBC news....anyone with one fraction of a brain cell would realise the kinetic energy alone of a cruise missile would leave a bigger crater than that. Story of Jews abusing muslims "with picture" proof, sadly for the muslims a Jew was filming the ceremony in a synagogue when a gang of muslim women burst in and grabbed a Torah off a jew....One of the women captured the anger on the jews face and put a spin on it that it was Jewish agression, lefty organisations lapped it up. muslims and Lefties lie like crap all the time to push their agenda.

But yeah teachers are horrifically left wing now (brother in law is married to one). The only solace I can get from all this is that if Islam takes over the world every single liberal ideal will die. Womens rights, gay rights etc etc.

 

[FuzzySpider]

The only solace I can get from all this is that if Islam takes over the world every single liberal ideal will die. Womens rights, gay rights etc etc.

Ohhh what terrible things they are.

 

[Becks]

Off the top of my head for fake bull left wing "news", Isreali war ship firing on a beach and killing kids, BBC reporter showed basically a big hole in the sand with wailing muslims.....no scorch marks or evidence of an explosion and it was bull...saw a report of a "cuise" missile impact in a muslim market, the "crater" was a couple of inches deep and about a metre wide..also reported by BBC news....anyone with one fraction of a brain cell would realise the kinetic energy alone of a cruise missile would leave a bigger crater than that. Story of Jews abusing muslims "with picture" proof, sadly for the muslims a Jew was filming the ceremony in a synagogue when a gang of muslim women burst in and grabbed a Torah off a jew....One of the women captured the anger on the jews face and put a spin on it that it was Jewish agression, lefty organisations lapped it up. muslims and Lefties lie like crap all the time to push their agenda.

But yeah teachers are horrifically left wing now (brother in law is married to one). The only solace I can get from all this is that if Islam takes over the world every single liberal ideal will die. Womens rights, gay rights etc etc.

Anyone with half a brain knows that neither shells fired off a warship nor a cruise missile has to leave a crater. That is down to the kind of weapon used and unless that kind is specified it's near impossible to make a precise statement over the possible effects and whether they apply or not to the particular situation.

Airbursts don't leave a crater. Neither do thermobaric weapons/warheads.

 

[Minonian]

And only in action movies cars exploding every time when the gasoline caches fire.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Ohhh what terrible things they are.

Anyone with half a brain knows that neither shells fired off a warship nor a cruise missile has to leave a crater. That is down to the kind of weapon used and unless that kind is specified it's near impossible to make a precise statement over the possible effects and whether they apply or not to the particular situation.

Airbursts don't leave a crater. Neither do thermobaric weapons/warheads.

Leper doesnt discuss things with people who have at least half a brain. He just yells random unchecked nonsense, blames 'left wing extremists' (which now include people who support women's rights, apparantly) or 'the media' and puts everyone on his 'left wing extrememist ignore list' if he gets arguments used against him.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Anyone with half a brain knows that neither shells fired off a warship nor a cruise missile has to leave a crater. That is down to the kind of weapon used and unless that kind is specified it's near impossible to make a precise statement over the possible effects and whether they apply or not to the particular situation.

Airbursts don't leave a crater. Neither do thermobaric weapons/warheads.

And what does heat do to sand? leave it looking like someone just dug a big hole? Also does an airburst munition leave ONE y little crater?
oh fer goads sake, they were proven to be bull reports...get over it.

 

[Leper Messiah]

And only in action movies cars exploding every time when the gasoline caches fire.

yeah yeah yeah, believe the proven bull reports then.

 

[Zmidponk]

Off the top of my head for fake bull left wing "news", Isreali war ship firing on a beach and killing kids, BBC reporter showed basically a big hole in the sand with wailing muslims.....no scorch marks or evidence of an explosion and it was bull

If you're referring to the 2014 Gaza beach attacks, the IDF itself launched an investigation into this. Utterly unsurprisingly, it cleared itself of any wrongdoing, but not, as you imply, by concluding this attack did not take place. It concluded, instead, that it was perfectly correct to launch missiles, as they were aimed at a 'Hamas terrorist', and a 'Hamas compound', and it had taken precautions to ensure that no civilians were in the area. However, this investigation utterly failed to explain how these ever-so-careful strikes seem to have completely failed to actually kill or injure any Hamas personnel, does not seem to have destroyed any Hamas equipment or weaponry, but, instead, simply killed and injured civilians, some of whom were children, and eye witnesses, which included several international journalists, say the areas struck were a cafe and a fisherman's jetty and fisherman's hut on a publicly accessible beach.

...saw a report of a "cuise" missile impact in a muslim market, the "crater" was a couple of inches deep and about a metre wide..also reported by BBC news....anyone with one fraction of a brain cell would realise the kinetic energy alone of a cruise missile would leave a bigger crater than that.

There are several types of cruise missiles, that can be used in all sorts of ways, which would leave all sorts of craters. The fact the crater you saw did not fit what you think the crater should look like does not prove the attack never happened. Unfortunately, there's been that many attacks that fit your description, I am unable to narrow down which particular one you're referring to on the flimsy details you have given here, but, if you care to be a bit more precise, I can have a look and see if I agree with you about it being fake. I doubt I will, though.

Story of Jews abusing muslims "with picture" proof, sadly for the muslims a Jew was filming the ceremony in a synagogue when a gang of muslim women burst in and grabbed a Torah off a jew....One of the women captured the anger on the jews face and put a spin on it that it was Jewish agression, lefty organisations lapped it up.

Again, if you care to provide details, instead of making a very vague and general reference, I can see if I agree with you.

muslims and Lefties lie like crap all the time to push their agenda.

In my experience, there will be occasions where left-wing media, organisations and people will make a mistake, deliberately fudge details to make something bigger than it is, or even simply make it up. This tends to be relatively rare - simply pointing out the truth, accurately, is often enough to make the right wing look bad, especially if we're talking about the American right wing. As such, this is a MUCH bigger problem for the right, especially the right-wing media, to the extent where, with some, this is the rule, not the exception.