Ultimate Primate Roster 2023

[JW97]

We all agree on that there are way too few primates in this game. The current roster is very lackluster and hinders you from building a realistic zoo.
Therefore I looked into all the potential primates/monkeys that could be included in the game. The folllowing choices are based on representation in zoo's or highly requested species.
For a good final line-up I think we need to have at least the follwing picks:
1. At least 1 Baboon specie
2. At least 2 other African old world monkeys
3. At least 1 Spider Monkey specie
4. At least 1 Howler Monkey specie
5. At least one other New World Monkey
6. At least one Macaque specie
7. At least one Langur specie
8. At least 2/3 Tamarin/Marmoset species
9. At least one new Gibbon specie
10. At least one 'small night monkey'

I know I miss some species that are relatively common in zoos, but I had to make choices.
Please let me know if you agree and if I should do this for more animal categories (i.e. carnivores, ungulates, marsupials etc.)

 

[Marvinb]

Imo there are the big 4 that are the essential must have, which are spider- and howlermonkey, golden lion tamarin and the hamadryas baboon.
If we are only to get these four id be ok with that, ofcourse more would be awesome.
Others i really would like to see are the grey langur, golden snubnose and sifaka

 

[nutrit]

1. At least 1 Baboon species - Hamadryas baboon, Gelada monkey
2. At least 2 other African old world monkeys - Mantled guereza & Patas monkey & Red capped mangabey
3. At least 1 Spider Monkey species - Colombian black spider monkey
4. At least 1 Howler Monkey species - Black howler monkey
5. At least one other New World Monkey - Wooly monkey
6. At least one Macaque species - Lion tailed macaque, Black crested macaque
7. At least one Langur species - Gray langur, Javan langur
8. At least 2/3 Tamarin/Marmoset species -
Golden lion tamarin, Cotton top tamarin, Emperor marmoset, Common marmoset, squirell monkey
9. At least one new Gibbon species - Lar gibbon
10. At least one 'small night monkey' - Bengal slow loris
11. Other primate species - Sifaka

 

[Spiderhawk]

I think primates have been robbed of attention compared to animal types that get attention in dlcs. With all the variety of primates and potential, here is my picks following your guidelines.

1. Hamadryas baboon: seems to be the most popular baboon.
2. Gelada: another popular and I like them
3. Black and white colobus monkey
4. Red faced spider monkey
5. Red howler money
6. White faced saki
7. Barbary macaque: the unofficial only monkey of Europe
8. Tufted gray langur
9. Golden tamarin
10. Emperor tamarin
11. Lar gibbon: I wanted this over the siamang, I’d like to see some more brachiation first.
12. Aye aye

I think loris could fit in as some sort of medium exhibit or a non walkthrough type as they are very shy, dangerous and solitary. Maybe tamarins or marmosets could be in a WE.
I think we have enough lemurs where attention can go to other primates.

 

[RaptorVerhoeven]

1. At least 1 Baboon species - Hamadryas baboon
2. At least 2 other African old world monkeys – Diana Monkey & Griver
3. At least 1 Spider Monkey species – Mexican spider monkey
4. At least 1 Howler Monkey species - Black howler monkey
5. At least one other New World Monkey – Squirrel monkey
6. At least one Macaque species – Barbary Macaque
7. At least one Langur species – Javan Langur
8. At least 2/3 Tamarin/Marmoset species – Golden lion tamarin, Emperor tamarin & Silvery marmoset
9. At least one new Gibbon species - Lar gibbon
10. At least one 'small night monkey' – Aye Aye
11. Other primate species – Northern white cheeked gibbon

Please I just want a squirrel monkey, I see them in every zoo I've ever been. They are one of my favorite species there and I just want to built them an awesome exhibit

 

[Faramburu]

The primates (apart from hominids) are very underepresented. We would need at least 10 new species
1. At least 1 Baboon specie: gelada baboon.
2. At least 2 other African old world monkeys: mantled guereza, De Brazza monkey
3. At least 1 Spider Monkey specie: any
4. At least 1 Howler Monkey specie: any
5. At least one other New World Monkey: uakari, saki.
6. At least one Macaque specie: lion tailed macaque.
7. At least one Langur specie: red shanked douc.
8. At least 2/3 Tamarin/Marmoset species: golden lion tamarin, emperor tamarin, cotton top tamarin
9. At least one new Gibbon specie: Lar gibbon
10. At least one 'small night monkey': Senegal bushbaby.
11. Others: aye aye, sifaka

 

[YesIndeed]

Hey @JeryW how do you make those cool looking layouts for or your animals. Is it just done in photoshop because I see a lot of people with similar looking layouts.

 

[Fallax]

Give me the Hamadryas Baboon, a Spider or Howler Monkey, a Tamarin or Marmoset, a Galago, a Loris, a Sifaka and an Aye-Aye and then I will be happy.

And even after that I am not going to complain if we get a Colobus, a Grey Langur, Lar Gibbon, Squirrel Monkey or Douroucouli!

Honestly primates have been robbed so far, how do we only have 12 it should probably be around 20-25 by the time DLC is wrapped up.

How would people be if this was our final primate roster?

1. Western Lowland Gorilla
2. Western Chimpanzee
3. Bonobo
4. Bornean Orangutan
5. Mandrill
6. Japanese Macaque
7. Ring-Tailed Lemur
8. Red Ruffed Lemur
9. Colombian White-Faced Capuchin
10. Black-and-White Ruffed Lemur
11. Proboscis Monkey
12. Siamang
13. Lar Gibbon
14. Black Howler Monkey
15. Hamadryas Baboon
16. Golden Lion Tamarin
17. Gelada
18. Mantled Guereza
19. Coquerel's Sifaka
20. Geoffroy's Spider Monkey
21. Aye-Aye
22. Guianan Squirrel Monkey
23. Golden Snub-Nosed Monkey
24. Olive Baboon
25. Lion-Tailed Macaque

This is all the primates currently in the game plus all of those in the top 100 on the META Wishlist...

It would put us at:

• 4 Great Apes
• 2 Gibbons
• 9 Old World Monkeys
• 5 Lemurs
• 5 New World Monkeys

Personally I would swap out two of the Old World monkeys for a Galago and a Loris (Seriously these more primitive primates need more love and would be fantastic for nocturnal houses! Even maybe throw in the Douroucouli if you want something from the New World)

 

[wanderoo]

Good summary! Thinking in terms of biomes/regions, my priorities would be:

1. India - this one is absolutely screaming for a species especially given the themed pieces. The species that would go best with the pieces would be one of the gray langurs, but my personal vote is for lion-tailed macaque. India needs at least one monkey species to feel complete in the game.

2. Neotropics - we could split this into subregions if we want but I'm with the majority of folks here that think we need at least 2 more species for even the meta-region to feel complete. Moreover, there's such a range in morphology. I think the best optimization for both priorities would be: golden lion tamarin (Brazilian Atlantic forest, smaller tamarin); black howler monkey (tropical and grassland, large howler); and then either bald uakari or any of the spider monkeys for a threatened, visually unique representative from the upper Amazon.

3. Drylands of Africa/Middle East - I'd personally like the gelada, but I think hamadryas baboon is the shoe-in here, also giving us a non-rainforest baboon. Lots of zoos use hamadryas baboons in broader African/Arabian areas so it has a bit more versatility than the gelada while still being visually unique, large troops, etc.

4. African tropical rainforest - unlike India, ME and African savanna, this region actually does already have one monkey in the mandrill and a few apes. But I don't think most folks would be opposed to the guereza rounding the roster out with a smaller, more arboreal species.

I think Southeast Asia and East Asia are well-represented for primates. If anything, maybe the golden snub-nosed monkey for a Chinese primate. Barbary macaques aren't for me (too visually similar to Japanese macaque, and not a world region that I think is screaming out for a primate like the others. I do think that a nocturnal prosimian would be cool so I'll go with aye-aye to round out Madagascar, even though my heart wants a slender loris.

My ranked list, mixing personal bias with what I think makes for a "complete" roster:

1. Golden lion tamarin (or other tamarin/small Neotropical monkey, pref. in Callitrichidae)
2. Lion-tailed macaque (or other monkey from the Indian subcontinent)
3. Black howler monkey (or other howler/large Neotropical monkey, pref. in Atelidae)
4. Hamadryas baboon (or gelada)
5. Guereza
6. Aye-aye (or any loris)
7. Fourth Neotropical monkey (pref. uakari, or a threatened species in Atelidae that doesn't look like the howlers, e.g. one of the spider monkeys)

 

[JW97]

Hey @JeryW how do you make those cool looking layouts for or your animals. Is it just done in photoshop because I see a lot of people with similar looking layouts.

Hii!
I just do it in old fashioned PowerPoint.
A quick overview of how to do it:

• Copy an image of the animal you want into PP.
• Remove the background of the image by image format/layout -> remove background
• Cut the image to a 1x1 layout and then to a circular layout, make sure a little bit of the animal is cut of (i.e. the head or tail)
• Duplicate the exact same image you just made and put them on top of each other
• Then restore the upper image now and include the head or tail again
• Create a white border on the bottom image, then you have the effect of the animal coming out of the picture
• Finally group them together so you can move it

I hope this helps you!

 

[BananaLeech]

For spider monkeys and howler monkeys, I believe we probably will get either one or the other, not both. If we do get either I would go with black-handed spider monkey or red howler.

I personally think we should get three more macaques (Barbary, lion-tailed, Sulawesi crested) but that may as well be a moon-on-a-stick type of request. Even if that is to happen I feel like there would still be some macaques that should make the cut such as Southern pig-tailed, crab-eating, and rhesus macaques. This clade is just full of unique species which can’t just be represented with Japanese macaque alone.

Unlike macaques having a single species of baboon wouldn’t really be that disappointing. I would choose the Hamadryas baboon to represent baboons. However if we are to have a chance to get another species I would go with olive baboon.

For langurs I would like Hanuman langur to make it but Francois langur might also have a chance.

Other than the Barbary macaque, there are many more African monkus I crave for which having the mandrill alone won’t cut. While the African colobines could be well represented with the mantled guereza alone, the guenons could use multiple representatives such as the DeBrazza’s monkey, the patas monkey, and the grivet. For mangabeys I have no hope for them despite being a fan of the golden-bellied mangabey.

If we are to get another gibbon we may as well get the lar gibbon.

For smaller New-World primates I would go with the white-faced saki and common squirrel monkey. I do think smaller primates are important but I just don’t see tiny arboreal species such as marmosets and tamarins being added as habitat animals.

A fourth species of lemur would be nice although some people might consider three species enough already.

 

[JW97]

So after the primates roster I went on to the carnivores roster.
To be fair, the carnivore roster might be the most well represented roster in the game right now.

The areas that still need some cover are:

• At least 2/3 more small cats (my preference are Ocelot, Pallas Cat and Serval)
• Preferably 2 more bear species (Spectacled Bear and 1 other)
• At least one coati specie
• Walrus
• At least one mongoose specie (my preference is Dwarf Mongoose)
• Fossa

Any additional species are a pure bonus IMO, of course more species would only lead to a better roster and would allow us to create more realistic zoos, but other species are more important at this point.

 

[YesIndeed]

Good summary! Thinking in terms of biomes/regions, my priorities would be:

1. India - this one is absolutely screaming for a species especially given the themed pieces. The species that would go best with the pieces would be one of the gray langurs, but my personal vote is for lion-tailed macaque. India needs at least one monkey species to feel complete in the game.

2. Neotropics - we could split this into subregions if we want but I'm with the majority of folks here that think we need at least 2 more species for even the meta-region to feel complete. Moreover, there's such a range in morphology. I think the best optimization for both priorities would be: golden lion tamarin (Brazilian Atlantic forest, smaller tamarin); black howler monkey (tropical and grassland, large howler); and then either bald uakari or any of the spider monkeys for a threatened, visually unique representative from the upper Amazon.

3. Drylands of Africa/Middle East - I'd personally like the gelada, but I think hamadryas baboon is the shoe-in here, also giving us a non-rainforest baboon. Lots of zoos use hamadryas baboons in broader African/Arabian areas so it has a bit more versatility than the gelada while still being visually unique, large troops, etc.

4. African tropical rainforest - unlike India, ME and African savanna, this region actually does already have one monkey in the mandrill and a few apes. But I don't think most folks would be opposed to the guereza rounding the roster out with a smaller, more arboreal species.

I think Southeast Asia and East Asia are well-represented for primates. If anything, maybe the golden snub-nosed monkey for a Chinese primate. Barbary macaques aren't for me (too visually similar to Japanese macaque, and not a world region that I think is screaming out for a primate like the others. I do think that a nocturnal prosimian would be cool so I'll go with aye-aye to round out Madagascar, even though my heart wants a slender loris.

My ranked list, mixing personal bias with what I think makes for a "complete" roster:

1. Golden lion tamarin (or other tamarin/small Neotropical monkey, pref. in Callitrichidae)
2. Lion-tailed macaque (or other monkey from the Indian subcontinent)
3. Black howler monkey (or other howler/large Neotropical monkey, pref. in Atelidae)
4. Hamadryas baboon (or gelada)
5. Guereza
6. Aye-aye (or any loris)
7. Fourth Neotropical monkey (pref. uakari, or a threatened species in Atelidae that doesn't look like the howlers, e.g. one of the spider monkeys)

You mentioned the Barbary Macaque in your south east Asia section even though their from North Africa and Europe. Even though it's only a tiny bit I think being the only European monkey gives them merit. Also, they look fairly different, they have brown unlike the white and Gray fur of the Japanese and are also considerably less fluffy for the hotter climate.

 

[wanderoo]

You mentioned the Barbary Macaque in your south east Asia section even though their from North Africa and Europe. Even though it's only a tiny bit I think being the only European monkey gives them merit. Also, they look fairly different, they have brown unlike the white and Gray fur of the Japanese and are also considerably less fluffy for the hotter climate.

Ah, my bad! I didn't mean to make them seem like part of the East/Southeast Asia section. More trying to say I'd rather all these other regions get their first or second monkey than Europe/North Africa get its first. Only because monkeys are so central to India, Central Africa, Neotropics, etc. I agree that they're not exactly like the Japanese macaque, but more so than the lion-tailed macaque or all the non-macaque options.

 

[YesIndeed]

So after the primates roster I went on to the carnivores roster.
To be fair, the carnivore roster might be the most well represented roster in the game right now.

The areas that still need some cover are:

• At least 2/3 more small cats (my preference are Ocelot, Pallas Cat and Serval)
• Preferably 2 more bear species (Spectacled Bear and 1 other)
• At least one coati specie
• Walrus
• At least one mongoose specie (my preference is Dwarf Mongoose)
• Fossa

Any additional species are a pure bonus IMO, of course more species would only lead to a better roster and would allow us to create more realistic zoos, but other species are more important at this point.

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Agree with your possible carnivore listing's except that the elephant seal should be with the other pinipeds. After the Walrus I think it would be likely as its more unique then other seals and sealions.

 

[BananaLeech]

So after the primates roster I went on to the carnivores roster.
To be fair, the carnivore roster might be the most well represented roster in the game right now.

The areas that still need some cover are:

• At least 2/3 more small cats (my preference are Ocelot, Pallas Cat and Serval)
• Preferably 2 more bear species (Spectacled Bear and 1 other)
• At least one coati specie
• Walrus
• At least one mongoose specie (my preference is Dwarf Mongoose)
• Fossa

Any additional species are a pure bonus IMO, of course more species would only lead to a better roster and would allow us to create more realistic zoos, but other species are more important at this point.

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First of all why even put this on a primate thread? Or call the thread the primate thread in the first place?

My second statement is that we need anything but subspecies to take up precious space in the animal roster regardless of the fact that most of these animals live in distinct habitats and continents.

Despite having too many cats already, I think serval, manul, and any South American rainforest cat are essential. I can’t say the same for the lynx species (including bobcat, my beloved.)

For canids I consider bush dog and raccoon dog essential. Foxes are not urgent but I think the bat-eared fox would be neat. I sadly do not see jackals coming any time soon. Big no for grey wolf subs.

We have all big cat species, so we may as well gat all bear species. As a procyonid enjoyer I do desire coatimundis, but I won’t hold my breath for kinkajou and ringtails.

For marine mammals I think sea otter and Cape fur seal would be neat. For river otters I prefer Eurasian over North American.

For other carnivores I feel like fossa and wolverine is inevitable due to community pressure. While I don’t see them coming up, I do wish for many small carnivores such as (African and palm) civets, (banded and yellow) mongoose, aardwolf, yellow-throated marten, marbled polecat, ring-tailed vontsira, and fanaloka.

 

[JW97]

First of all why even put this on a primate thread? Or call the thread the primate thread in the first place?

My second statement is that we need anything but subspecies to take up precious space in the animal roster regardless of the fact that most of these animals live in distinct habitats and continents.

Despite having too many cats already, I think serval, manul, and any South American rainforest cat are essential. I can’t say the same for the lynx species (including bobcat, my beloved.)

For canids I consider bush dog and raccoon dog essential. Foxes are not urgent but I think the bat-eared fox would be neat. I sadly do not see jackals coming any time soon. Big no for grey wolf subs.

We have all big cat species, so we may as well gat all bear species. As a procyonid enjoyer I do desire coatimundis, but I won’t hold my breath for kinkajou and ringtails.

For marine mammals I think sea otter and Cape fur seal would be neat. For river otters I prefer Eurasian over North American.

For other carnivores I feel like fossa and wolverine is inevitable due to community pressure. While I don’t see them coming up, I do wish for many small carnivores such as (African and palm) civets, (banded and yellow) mongoose, aardwolf, yellow-throated marten, marbled polecat, ring-tailed vontsira, and fanaloka.

Yeah I thought I could change the titel of the forum once I posted the carnivore section, but I couldn't...
Should I delete it and post other threads somewhere else?? (carnivores,ungulates,others)...

 

[BananaLeech]

Yeah I thought I could change the titel of the forum once I posted the carnivore section, but I couldn't...
Should I delete it and post other threads somewhere else?? (carnivores,ungulates,others)...

Hrmm. I think the easiest thing would be to ask a moderator to see if they can change anything…

 

[JW97]

Hrmm. I think the easiest thing would be to ask a moderator to see if they can change anything…

So If any moderater reads this.. Can you please change the forum to Ultimate Animal Roster 2023

 

[Fallax]

If we are talking Carnivorans, I am mostly pleased with the roster. The one area I want to see expansion actually is with mustelids! Mustelids are pretty common in zoos and we currently have a few species but I want more

I would like:

• Wolverine
• Honey Badger
• Sea Otter
• Any Marten (Yellow-Throated, Beech, or the Sable are the best options)
• Any classic "weasel" (If I had to pick it would be Stoat but Polecat or Mink would be fine)

Other than that, I need Walrus and Fossa, please!

There is a lot of other Carnivorans that would be great additions but for my own wishlist I am sticking to these as they are essential for me.