Umm whats happened to the black market
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rootsrat
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It could be an Imperial system with prohibited slaves, but legal Imperial Slaves and you've had the latter in your cargo hold.
The system might have several stations, at one of the stations the slaves might be allowed and at others - prohibited. If you have landed at the former - then they are not illegal there. As soon as you enter SC you will see illicit cargo warning as the slave are prohibited at other stations.
Rafe Zetter
Banned
Try reading the OP and what you said again....
Because it looks to me as though you just said that one of the possible several stations allowed slaves in a SYSTEM that outlawed slaves.... so unless that station that allowed slaves is a pirate faction owned station (in which case he should be able to sell any illegal goods he likes) then all stations within a "goods prohibited" system should all have the same trade rules.
it's possible that only one station of several has an active black market, but that's not what you said.
Hopefully you don't know what you are talking about, because if you do and what you said is actually what happens in game, that's yet another in game thing that makes no rational sense at all.
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That would mean they are not illegal so he would not be able to sell them on the black market bc they are legel.
They don't and I fail to see why they should.
Rafe Zetter
Banned
How can you have a trade rule where cargo that is considered illegal by the ruling faction of that system, be classed as legal within a station that is sat floating in space INSIDE that system and IS NOT a pirate faction station??
All stations within a NON ANARCHIC system, should adhere to whatever trade embargo rules apply to that entire system. (I don't think "pirate faction" owned stations actually exist outside anarchic systems do they?)
Otherwise that's like me saying "sorry Mr Policeman but in my house, that I own, I have decided that murder is legal; I killed her inside the house so you can't arrest me for killing my mother in law, even though outside the front door, murder is illegal."
Sheesh, no wonder FDev has gotten away with so much .
However as I said before, it's perfectly plausible for a black market to only be active on one station out of several - but that is something ENTIRELY different and not what I'm talking about.
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I thought the black market was for selling stolen goods only? In 1.2 the value of stolen goods was only about 50% of the galactic average, if that is applied to prohibited goods as well then wouldn't you be making a loss?
Bc different laws abide in the same system and the ruling powers law applies only in open space and their stations NOT all the other stations
Why? Its neither the case atm NOR is there any reason for it to be.
Yes they do.
You are not considerd a political entity. A space station belonging to another faction then the surrounding space is technically an enclave
As you are?
Rafe Zetter
Banned
Ahhh yes, of course! The problem occuring here here is that Fdev has entirely forgotten to differentiate between trading *stolen* cargo and merely smuggling in prohibited goods. The black market only recognises the *stolen* tag on cannisters - if they were bought legitimately elsewhere, however illegal they are in place of sale, the black market does not "see" them to be able to trade them. (even though Frontier the game from 1996 did have different tags - seems DB's memory is lacking somewhat now)
Yes I should have remembered that - there was a thread about that issue a while back - with no official response or so far any fix.
So currently trading illegal goods is either impossible on the black market or at the very least something that will LOSE you money - by 50% every time.
genius....
No bc for prohibited goods you get a little extra.
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This is wrong and old and outdated. You can make massive profits by selling prohibited goods. Also you always could sell prohibited goods at blackmarkets. Pls refrain from posting if clueless...
If slaves are illegal for a power controlling a system, you'll appear to be carrying "Illicit cargo" anywhere. But if you go to a station owned by, say, a criminal faction, in that system, where the goods are legal, you won't be able to sell them on the black market, just the normal market.
Rafe Zetter
Banned
All good answers - apart from the last. Can't fault you there hadn't considered the enclave possibility, which allows for all the rest.
The last one is purely subjective, I think I am, you do not; both of us are right.
Seeing as you are insisting on picking apart my answers, just to be right, I'll just leave this "discussion" where it is...
although I will add that "clueless" and "outdated, but previously correct" are different things, and it's a shame you think they are the same.
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Black markets will buy stolen goods (those that you've acquired from another ship or found floating around in space) at about 50%-60% of the going rate. This is fencing - you want to get rid of the goods so someone buys them from you at a discount so that they can sell them on for their own profit.
Black markets also buy illegal goods - commodities which you've purchased legally from one jurisdiction, ideally with high supply, and have shipped to a jurisdiction where they are illegal. If those goods are in demand on the black market, you can make good coin.
The main difference from the criminal's point of view is that stolen goods are 100% profit and illegal goods require investment to be returned on.
No. I am right you are wrong also I neither accused you of trolling nor being dim - both sth which you did.
Within your post you have simply showed that you do not know or understand the game mechanics. Different stations within one system might have different lists of available commodities and prohibited commodities.
What is going to happen in case some commodities are prohibited at one station and not prohibited at the other one? Does not it mean that these commodities are legal at one station and are illegal at a different station? In case the commodities are legal - you cannot sell them at black marker. In case you are in SC with illegal commodities you will see the "illicit cargo" warning. And all this is pretty much logical.
Rafe Zetter
Banned
Care to run that sentence by me again?
So, you think that you are fit to judge what is correct and what is wrong within the game and that I am unfit for the same task? Which is what my "we are both right" comment referred to.
As for my considering you may be a troll, if you'll read my post again an outright accusation WAS NOT made (even though I was wrong as to why I considered you may be), you just took it as such. However it now seems you are a troll, of sorts; because a troll's main function is simply to be argumentative and combative, and so far you've got that in spades.
@ Aleksej - as I said in an earlier post, which you did not read, I acknowledged I had overlooked the probability of the station being owned by a different faction with different trade laws as pointed out (if not particularly politely) by Han Brannigan.
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Thanks, I didn't know this. Is selling prohibited goods at a black market more profitable than selling the goods at a station where they are not illegal but are in high demand?
ok
Really where did I call you a Troll or accuse you of being dim? I said you are clueless as in uninformed ( which is NOT the same thing as dim. Da Vinci was far from dim but clueless as far as how black markets in ED work and the same could probably be said of Mr Hawkings ) bc you seemed to believe bm are only to sell stolen goods at... and really you spouting misinformation does not much to help OP answer his question...
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Ian Phillips
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Thats enough. Leave this little dispute now, or resolve it via PM.
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