Uncorking the bottle. . . .

OK - the last time I played Elite on a PC it was, well yesterday on a clapped out 12 year old laptop - but playing it properly was an Amstrad 1640 with 640k of RAM, a 20Mb hard drive and a monitor that weighed a ton and nearly crippled me carrying it to the car for my weekend long Elite a thons. With the Beta, hopefully, bearing down on us I need to get some serious PC hardware. So, at the risk of starting WWIII - what does the great and the good of the Elite forums think will be needed? Before we start talking about quad core, HOTA, Orac with 15 56"monitors using more power than most substations can handle... I need to be realistic about cost, space is an issue for me and I've spent 20 years working in telecoms, so I'm OK talking about MPLS speeds, but throw anything too techy at me and I'd ask you to include a plain english translation. Welcome your thoughts guys.....
 
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For Elite on the cheap, I'd go for an i5 quad, 8gb RAM, 256Gb SSD and whatever sized monitor you like .

Play using the inbuilt graphics for a bit, and when you want a bit more power plonk for a dedicated card that suits your budget.

Job done :)
 
Wait Maxwell graphics card (NVidia) of second generation, at the end of the year. Perhaps an excellent ratio, Power / Price / Energy saving
 
this is one of those questions that divides people.

for the same price as an i5 quad you could have an AMD 8 core, or if you want to save a few bucks while still giving you headroom to upgrade later install an AMD 6 core cpu - they use the same socket.

apart from that as above ;)

EDIT: just noticed the recommendation of an SSD, hybrid drives are worth a look as you get more space for your money - it depends what else you are planning on using the system for. you always have the option of adding a second non SSD drive later on if space becomes an issue for you but there are plenty of options to chose from where Hard drives are concerned so if you want to make the most of a limited budget think carefully before you buy.

and one more thing, make sure you buy the operating system at the same time as the hardware as this entitles you to an OEM copy; buying the OS that way is a lot cheaper.

Windows 7 for personal preference but 8 is just as good once you install a 3rd party start bar to make the system more user friendly.

Wait Maxwell graphics card (NVidia) of second generation, at the end of the year. Perhaps an excellent ratio, Power / Price / Energy saving

the problem with the latest cards is they are always expensive, ask yourself if you REALLY need it before shelling out a few hundred on an item that you could easily get away with paying a lot less for.

its always nice to have the latest phat graphics card in a games system but often games lag a few years behind the top end cards and will often run at full detail on cards a few steps down in performance but massive difference in price.

again, think very carefully about what else the system will be used for apart from ED before buying.

as an example when i built my current games system a little over a year ago the latest game was Need for Speed the Run, i slapped a £100 graphics card in and that ran the game on ultra graphics settings without a problem
 
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You are right and it's like that for many computer components. But in the case of Maxwell, it seems that this is a technological revolution that should allow have graphics cards powerful and energy efficient and at a reasonable price. We must also think to planetary landings
 

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.... but we should not forget that AMD's Mantle API has already scored some quite big performance improvements on GCN cards - I have an R9 280X in my PC and an R9 270X in my son's.
 
.... but we should not forget that AMD's Mantle API has already scored some quite big performance improvements on GCN cards - I have an R9 280X in my PC and an R9 270X in my son's.

good point, but again the first question is 'do you REALLY need it NOW?' put a card in that's half the cost and in a year or two you may just find that that top of the range card you were looking at can be bought for the other half of what you would of originally spent.
 
I'd agree with Andy - unless you want blistering performance from the get-go, it's not a bad idea to wait til your desired shiny card drops price, or something even shinier comes out.

The hybrid drive point is correct also, although once you've gone full SSD you will never, ever want to go back to spinning platters ever again, except for mass storage.

I will still suggest the i5 over anything AMD though, currently the performance gap is large enough to justify the price, even 8 cores vs 4. Hopefully AMD will recover from their current battering and release another x64 or Athlon X2-style smasher, that really gave Intel a bloody nose.
 
I'd agree with Andy - unless you want blistering performance from the get-go, it's not a bad idea to wait til your desired shiny card drops price, or something even shinier comes out.

The hybrid drive point is correct also, although once you've gone full SSD you will never, ever want to go back to spinning platters ever again, except for mass storage.

I will still suggest the i5 over anything AMD though, currently the performance gap is large enough to justify the price, even 8 cores vs 4. Hopefully AMD will recover from their current battering and release another x64 or Athlon X2-style smasher, that really gave Intel a bloody nose.

i have a bit of a confession to make on the SSD front, in my games machine i put 2x 120gb 500mb/s r/w SSD's in RAID 0 - that combination makes a single SSD look kind of slow ;)
 
Oh I completely understand.

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I have an I7 4770 + GTX760. I was slightly surprised to find Rome Total War II couldn't be played in max graphics. Although it was VFM, in terms of future proof its not. But my plan was to put something heftier in when it becomes apparent what is needed for the Elite expansions. My feeling is the two announced expansions will be the ones that need the real oomph but how much is anyone's guess. You could always go for an SLI MB with a view to going SLI if you needed to in the future.
 
.... but we should not forget that AMD's Mantle API has already scored some quite big performance improvements on GCN cards - I have an R9 280X in my PC and an R9 270X in my son's.

The only problem is that the game currently has issues with the AMD cards or have these issues been resolved and I just missed the announcement.
 
The only problem is that the game currently has issues with the AMD cards or have these issues been resolved and I just missed the announcement.

Yup still problems with AMD cards - missing planets, black boxes on cargo containers, strange flares and outlines etc. They are still working on these.
 
I recomment spending a little money on a decent joystick. A thrustmaster t.16000 or Hotas-X is IMO the sweet spot on RoI for buying just the stick, and both give enough axis for good control.

If you get really into it you can expand with throttle and/or pedals.
 
Also, in case you haven't already, invest in a decent internet provider as well as a high quality router, etc. Connection speed will be very important for this game, I think.
 
@Jim Maddog what is your geographic location? i'll spec up a couple of systems for you based on the suggestions in this thread.

the reason i ask is so that i know if you need prices in pounds, dollars or euro's and where the shop should be based to avoid excessive delivery charges.
 
@Jim Maddog what is your geographic location? i'll spec up a couple of systems for you based on the suggestions in this thread.

the reason i ask is so that i know if you need prices in pounds, dollars or euro's and where the shop should be based to avoid excessive delivery charges.
UK - I'm looking on line at the moment and I've got options from a couple of hundred quid to my ex wifes monthly settlement figure..... and thanks - much appreciated.
 
For Elite on the cheap, I'd go for an i5 quad, 8gb RAM, 256Gb SSD and whatever sized monitor you like .

Play using the inbuilt graphics for a bit, and when you want a bit more power plonk for a dedicated card that suits your budget.

Job done :)

Woah. So, I'm in the position of needing a new PC too, and hadn't even considered an SSD drive. Is that really gong to be necessary?:S
 
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