Upgrade from GTX960 for Odyssey

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Yeah yeah, i know, performance is still going to be wonky no matter what.

But its time for an upgrade anyway and i'm eyeing what i can get.

Budget is around $500 max (or 40,000 roubles). Ideally less, but yeah, i know the graphics card market is borked at the moment.

What's my best option?

Here's a link to the store i'll probably buy from. Its in Russian (sorry) but it can give you an idea of what is available. If you see "В наличии" with a number next to it, then it means they have in stock. "Товара нет в наличии" means out of stock.


EDIT: If i stretch a bit more, i can probably get the 1660Ti... but i shudder to think of my wife's face when i tell her the price.
 

GJ51

GJ51
Finding hardware that will improve Oddity isn't as straightforward as just grabbing a new graphics card.

What resolution you play at and determining if you're CPU or GPU limited is important. You could get a 3090, but if you're CPU limited it won't help.

Unfortunately, in the price range you're looking at, you might not get anything that will be a significant improvement over the GTX 960 depending on the rest of your hardware.
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
GJ51 said:
Finding hardware that will improve Oddity isn't as straightforward as just grabbing a new graphics card.

What resolution you play at and determining if you're CPU or GPU limited is important. You could get a 3090, but if you're CPU limited it won't help.

Unfortunately, in the price range you're looking at, you might not get anything that will be a significant improvement over the GTX 960 depending on the rest of your hardware.
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The rest of my hardware is not top of the range, but it was all upgraded at the start of the year to somewhat decent levels. The graphics card is now definitely the bottleneck.

And besides, still the hope that FD will optimize further, and if nothing else, will improve performance in other games.
 

hems303

hems303
FWIW... I upgraded to the best RTX card at the time i.e. a Gigabyte RTX 2080 and it is now (with the updates) giving good FPS in MOST places in Oddity... I recently went further and fitted a Gigabyte RTX 3080Ti but it made no further difference at all (good or bad) so I removed it, sold it, and refitted my good old RTX 2080...soooo

I would recommend you buying the best RTX card you can afford.... but not really bother with one of the really top end (VERY expensive) ones (Onboard graphics memory is important I have 8Gb....10+Gb would be better.... the only regret I have for selling the 3080Ti was the fact that it had 12Gb onboard GDDR)

o7
 
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Morbad

Morbad
Best option is to wait until supply improves, but if you need something now, the only viable option that seems anywhere near your budget is the 1660 6GiB (I see a Palit model for 42k Rubles at the linked site). Anything significantly cheaper is a lot slower and anything with less than 6GiB of VRAM is going to have major issues with a lot modern games (including EDO).
 

Snowbullet

Snowbullet
Agony_Aunt said:
Just did some checking. There are no RTX cards i can afford.

The whole market is screwed, and i don't see it improving in the coming years. Not as long as crypto remains popular.
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Perhaps you can get a used Geforce GTX 1070 card or higher?
A 1070 card has pretty good peformance and its not that expensive to buy used. There's also the possibility of getting a 1070 Ti or perhaps even a 1080 card.

Checking Ebay, $500 would work with those cards. But you probably have some other website in Russia that would be even better then Ebay seeing as you'll want to avoid tax and import fees.

I did a comparison over at www.videocardbenchmark.net for different cards that might be suitable and that also give a rudimentary comparison of their performance:
GTX 960 vs 1660 Ti / 1070 / 1070 Ti & 1080
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Snowbullet said:
Perhaps you can get a used Geforce GTX 1070 card or higher?
A 1070 card has pretty good peformance and its not that expensive to buy used. There's also the possibility of getting a 1070 Ti or perhaps even a 1080 card.

Checking Ebay, $500 would work with those cards. But you probably have some other website in Russia that would be even better then Ebay seeing as you'll want to avoid tax and import fees.

I did a comparison over at www.videocardbenchmark.net for different cards that might be suitable and that also give a rudimentary comparison of their performance:
GTX 960 vs 1660 Ti / 1070 / 1070 Ti & 1080
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To be honest, i don't trust the used parts market for cards at the moment. You never know how much someone has used a card and it might die a week after getting it. Considering how people are using cards for crypto, they might have been running them for 100% for ages. Its not like they come with any warranty. If it fails, i'm out of pocket.
 

GroG79

G
At this point: Do you really want to spend 4-500 on a card that is 4 years old?

It is going to be a significant purchase due to the whole chips situation. I would just get a recent card so a 30 series Nvidia or a 6000 series AMD and pay the premium.. a 3060 for 600.. A 6700 XT for 600?

Sucks either way
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
GroG79 said:
At this point: Do you really want to spend 4-500 on a card that is 4 years old?

It is going to be a significant purchase due to the whole chips situation. I would just get a recent card so a 30 series Nvidia or a 6000 series AMD and pay the premium.. a 3060 for 600.. A 6700 XT for 600?

Sucks either way
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Not really. But there again, i don't want to be stuck with my 960 any longer.

Birthday is still a bit away, i can wait a little while, but once i have the money, i have to spend it, otherwise it will get frittered away on life eventually.
 

Snowbullet

Snowbullet
Agony_Aunt said:
To be honest, i don't trust the used parts market for cards at the moment. You never know how much someone has used a card and it might die a week after getting it. Considering how people are using cards for crypto, they might have been running them for 100% for ages. Its not like they come with any warranty. If it fails, i'm out of pocket.
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Here in Sweden the new AMD Radeon 6600 XT can be purchased for just under 5000 SEK in stock at the moment. Transferring those costs to Russian Ruble gets it to ~42050 Ruble. Some websites claim it have performance around a Geforce 3060. Maybe that card is were you should start looking if you can find it since currently that card seems to be easier to find at reasonable prices in stock?

But you might not be able to find that card in stock over there at low enough prices?

Check this comparison
 
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Morbad

Morbad
Agony_Aunt said:
Just did some checking. There are no RTX cards i can afford.

The whole market is screwed, and i don't see it improving in the coming years. Not as long as crypto remains popular.
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Crypto mining is just one of many converging factors that lead to current pricing issues. Unprecedented foundry pressure from several high-demand businesses competing for limited capacity, politics/trade, plus COVID related manufacturing and logistical issues were each at least as meaningful as mining demand.

NVIDIA's entire contemporary line up, except for the 3090, are now LHR parts and AMD's GPUs haven't seen much demand from miners due to price/power/performance ratios when mining. So, mining demand for most GPUs being sold has fallen quite a bit. On top of that, supply is also improving and prices are already down considerably from the May peaks. Still has a ways to go, maybe a year or more, before prices return to "normal", however.

Agony_Aunt said:
To be honest, i don't trust the used parts market for cards at the moment. You never know how much someone has used a card and it might die a week after getting it. Considering how people are using cards for crypto, they might have been running them for 100% for ages. Its not like they come with any warranty. If it fails, i'm out of pocket.
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It's mostly a myth that mining is particularly bad for cards, except for GDDR6X equipped cards (high-end Ampere parts that no one is selling anyway) that frequently have sketchy memory cooling. Most mining parts will be tuned for efficiency and see very little in the way of power/thermal cycling (fractured solder joints probably being the #1 failure mechanism for video cards).

That said, used market is always a gamble unless the marketplace offers protections or you know the seller.

Zeke Drexel said:
Can you still get a 1080ti anywhere? Card still stacks up remarkably well against the RTX 2070 or 3060 ...
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Not new, and the used ones still go for what they cost new at launch.
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Snowbullet said:
Here in Sweden the new AMD Radeon 6600 XT can be purchased for just under 5000 SEK in stock at the moment. Transferring those costs to Russian Ruble gets it to ~42050 Ruble. Some websites claim it have performance around a Geforce 3060. Maybe that card is were you should start looking if you can find it since currently that card seems to be easier to find at reasonable prices in stock?

But you might not be able to find that card in stock over there at low enough prices?

Check this comparison
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Thanks. Yeah, the markup in Russia i think is quite big. Possibly lots of idiots thinking they can get rich quick with crypto.
 
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