Upgrading PC

nelorourke

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Hi,

I currently run ED in VR (Quest 3) with a Mini PC with

GPU: Radeon RX 6600M
CPU: Ryzen 9 6900 HX 8 Core.
RAM: 32GB

It runs pretty well, but I plan to build a new PC with:

GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7700 XT
CPU: I5 14600kf DDR4
RAM: 32GB

Would this provide a significant improvement, especially when rendering planets?

Thanks!
 

STRONTIUM DOG

STRONTIUM DOG
12 gb of vram over 8 on that gpu so yea but as even high end machines struggle with planet surface rendering don't go expecting any miracle's
but what with the 55% avg performance gain of the cpu added too it should be much better than what you get currently
 
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Pville_Piper

Pville_Piper
Make sure you re-install windows when you change from AMD to Intel or you'll get some weird driver issues. I was prepared to do a clean install but tried a Reset PC under the “Recovery options” section, keeping my files. This fixed the odd issues I had.
 

Age of Exile

Age of Exile
An i9 Intel processor with a decent cpu cooler for your socket would allow better multi-tasking, for instance a second monitor for discord, web browser pages, and voice attack. You might want good power management as well.
 

STRONTIUM DOG

STRONTIUM DOG
:rolleyes: your right of course but i imagine the op has considered what type of machine he can afford🤷‍♂️
he may he maybe better off posting what he can spend & location(due to transit costs) and pc duities(IE just for quest gaming) so others more knowledgeable than me can rec some alternative build options..................
 
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Shurimal

Shurimal
Pville_Piper said:
Make sure you re-install windows when you change from AMD to Intel or you'll get some weird driver issues.
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DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) should take care of that, no? Restart to safe mode, run DDU, choose "shut down" once it's done, replace the GPU, start PC, install drivers. I usually am paranoid and unplug network during the installation because Windows Update can have a nasty habit of automagically installing outdated drivers from MS repo instead of letting the user do things properly.
Dragsham said:
I'd recommend the ryzen 7 7800x3d
It's a gamers chip.
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Indubitably. But TBH, I'd put the extra money towards RX 7800 XT instead.

I wonder if 9600X3D or 9700X3D will be a thing—that would be my ideal upgrade path in a year or so replacing the venerable 3600X I have. The 3600X with 32 GB of RAM would then make a nice Proxmox server🙂
 

Morbad

Morbad
Shurimal said:
DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) should take care of that, no? Restart to safe mode, run DDU, choose "shut down" once it's done, replace the GPU, start PC, install drivers. I usually am paranoid and unplug network during the installation because Windows Update can have a nasty habit of automagically installing outdated drivers from MS repo instead of letting the user do things properly.
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DDU is mostly for video drivers, but the swap was a full platform change. While this can be made to work, it's all the other drivers, plus the fact that the location of every attached device changes when the motherboard is swapped to a very different one, that can cause issues.

Shurimal said:
I wonder if 9600X3D or 9700X3D will be a thing
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They will, and they probably aren't far off. End of July for the initial Granite Ridge (9000 non-X3D) release, then September or October for the first Granite Ridge-X (X3D) parts, seems likely.
 

nelorourke

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Thanks for the feedback, I'll check out the recommendations when I get back to my laptop.

I'm planning a new build as I assume the minipc box will be a limiting factor😅

My boss who is a big gamer I sending some recommendations which I'll post here tomorrow
 

Shurimal

Shurimal
Morbad said:
DDU is mostly for video drivers, but the swap was a full platform change.
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Ah, yeah, you're right, I somehow misread it as changing from AMD to nVidia. Still, one of those Windows things—I can install any flavour of Linux on an external SSD and boot from it on any x64 machine from the past 15 years no problems🤪 Great for system rescues etc.
varonica said:
Already been announced by AMD.
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Haven't spotted an announcement of 96/700x3d, just 9800x3d. Probably just missed it in my torrentuous RSS feed🙂
 

nelorourke

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Hi,

Thanks for your comments.

My colleague suggested this build. It comes to over €1800, however my budget is more like €1500


Would a lower spec achieve similar performance? Also, would a higher spec also make a difference from the above build?

The main thing for me is better clarity in stations, approaching and landing on planets.

Also, I plan to just play this game in VR (Quest 3).

Thanks!

Neil
 

Shurimal

Shurimal
nelorourke said:
Hi,

Thanks for your comments.

My colleague suggested this build. It comes to over €1800, however my budget is more like €1500


Would a lower spec achieve similar performance? Also, would a higher spec also make a difference from the above build?

The main thing for me is better clarity in stations, approaching and landing on planets.

Also, I plan to just play this game in VR (Quest 3).

Thanks!

Neil
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You can shave some 30...50€ off by going with a cheaper mobo, possibly a mATX one (do you really need onboard wifi and more than 2 PCIe slots?).

You also won't need a 1 kW PSU, a 850 W or even a 650 W one would do fine for this rig. I personally only buy Seasonic, have two of them—the one in my gaming rig has been going for 10 years now and the Focus Gold in my home server has been on 24/7 operations for 3 or 4 years or so. You can shave 90€ off there.

You can shave another 100€ off from the SSD if you don't need that much storage, Crucial P3 Plus seems to be a good price/performance and 1 TB is below 100€. There's really nothing special about Samsung SSD-s, but they tend to be a bit more expensive. It's all QLC NAND these days unless you buy enterprise, anyway. If you need bulk storage for multimedia, NAS is the way.

Sapphire Pulse is solid—if buying AMD, Sapphire is the way.
 

nelorourke

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Shurimal said:
You can shave some 30...50€ off by going with a cheaper mobo, possibly a mATX one (do you really need onboard wifi and more than 2 PCIe slots?).

You also won't need a 1 kW PSU, a 850 W or even a 650 W one would do fine for this rig. I personally only buy Seasonic, have two of them—the one in my gaming rig has been going for 10 years now and the Focus Gold in my home server has been on 24/7 operations for 3 or 4 years or so. You can shave 90€ off there.

You can shave another 100€ off from the SSD if you don't need that much storage, Crucial P3 Plus seems to be a good price/performance and 1 TB is below 100€. There's really nothing special about Samsung SSD-s, but they tend to be a bit more expensive. It's all QLC NAND these days unless you buy enterprise, anyway. If you need bulk storage for multimedia, NAS is the way.

Sapphire Pulse is solid—if buying AMD, Sapphire is the way.
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Thanks Surimal!

I'll create an updated build to take these into account. Do you think these specs are strong enough to greatly improve performance on the scenarios I mentioned?
 

Morbad

Morbad
As mentioned, board, SSD, and PSU could be a bit less expensive without meaningfully impacting performance or reliabilty. GPU brand isn't terribly critical, outside of support considerations, but Sapphire is sold.

I'd also recommend targeting slightly faster memory. AM5 is mature to the point that 6000 CL30 or 32 stuff will generally work reliably with an EXPO profile and the non-vcache parts will benefit from the increased performance. The price difference should not be large either.
 

STRONTIUM DOG

STRONTIUM DOG
it does seem to me FD have had more issues with amd than with intel\nvidia over the years since 2014 that is just my opinion🤷‍♂️
what gpu pro said here does not go down too well...........
and seems to mirror currently whats happening to some in this thread https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/is-anyone-having-issues-with-shadows.626053/
and whilst some nvidia users have stated in aforementioned issue tracker they are having the same issue they did not say what type cpu they were using also..............
my guess it's an Amd cpu\nvidia gpu?

personally i avoid Amd and i am biased on this period.
 
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