Upgrading your rig? Think twice.

Dark Reign

Specification:
CPU:
Intel Core i5 4570
CPU Cooling:
Standard Intel Cooler
Operating System:
Windows 8.1 (64-bit)
Motherboard:
Gigabyte Z87-HD3
Memory:
Corsair 8GB 1600mhz Vengeance
Hard Drives:
Plextor 128GB M5S SSD
1TB S-ATAIII 6.0Gb/s
Optical Drive:
DVDRW
Graphics card:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 4GB
Sound card:
Onboard 7.1
Case:
Coolermaster CM 690 III
PSU:
Corsair CX600
Warranty:
3 Year SureCare Warranty

hopefully it will keep me going for a few years!

Nice rig! For those of us who like to play on laptops, it's a tougher call :S
Are we getting to the stage will last longer than Moore's law would suggest? I was amazed the consoles lasted 8 years.

Do let us parsimonius beta testers how it is for you :D It really will be Christmas
 

Minti2

Deadly, But very fluffy...
Nice rig! For those of us who like to play on laptops, it's a tougher call :S
Are we getting to the stage will last longer than Moore's law would suggest? I was amazed the consoles lasted 8 years.

Do let us parsimonius beta testers how it is for you :D It really will be Christmas

Cheers more then happy with it, been testing/playing some online/high graphic hungry intensity games and all running smooth and best of all absolutely gorgeous looking graphics ..but still trying to find a home for the beast as its far to big for my old desk! :rolleyes:...thinking about it though i probably have bought a PS4 and an Xbox one with the money ive spent! :eek:

and yes glad i dont have to sort out a laptop, there must be some good ones out there to play ED though? just not my thing but handy if you move around alot i guess, good-luck finding something! :)
 
I don't want this to sound arrogant but I've just thrown 5k at loads of new hardware, well excessive one might think! But then I want what I want and get it when I want, because I work hard and play hard.
As for folks telling me what or when I should spend my dosh on what toys that's a bit rude IMO.

Buying toys is what makes the world go round too and helps keep folks in work. ;)
 
Which "recent developments" are these? :S

I'd also like to know :cool: because the recent developments - a factual one that is the quite significant drop of the price of higher end GPUs point out now as a great timing to purchase a gaming PC.

High end is always bad value for money, but if our goal in life is to be efficient we would not be playing games (i.e. - if you can afford it, being the richest man in the cemetery is a dumb thing...).

But with the rebrand schemes, GPU price has dropped around 100 USD within a couple months - more than in the previous year or so (or 9 months...). Currently 280X and 290 are of great value for money (as usual Caveat emptor).

Looking into the future, single thread performance improvements have been at best lackluster. Besides, the focus is currently on APUs - for example, the "best" enthusiast CPU - the intel 4770k - is, in many regards, a very underwhelming product. Forget that - crappy is the right word, and needlessly crappy. Way too much resources going into the nearly useless graphic portion (and don't get me started on the TIM). But that is the way intel has been going, and next CPU - broadwell, promises more of the same.

I'd love to se a i4770k with everything they removed and just a really small GPU.

Meanwhile, AMD is (rightly) betting everything on APUs and forgetting about CPU single thread performance. And are way more resource limited.
On the GPU front, the 20nms conversion should bring 20% to 40% across the board, but it will be expensive and take one year to availability.
 
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I always smile a little when I see specs coming up. Its always cpu and gpu :). Really you should concentrate on the slowest part of your system... your storage. Cpus and Gpu have overtaken software in the development race for the last 3 years or so unless you have multi displays or a nice 4K monitor. The vast majority on here will be maxed at 1920 x 1080, current mid range Cpu and Gpu from Intel, Amd and Nvidia will all happily handle anything at that resolution, i.e. Intel i5s or above with a real Gpu sitting alongside. For real giggles, have a look at something like a LSI96xx raid card and say 4 Samsung 128GB Evos in RAID0 and 4 of favourite 2TB spindle drives in RAID1 or 5 to back up the SSDs. Then comeback and talk about system smoothness. 16GB of Ram is handy as well, spend a day or two tuning it to the max and when you've found that, dial it back 5% to 10%.
The place to really spend your money is monitor, keyboard and mouse. You view and interact with these most of all so don't skimp.
Personally I buy peripherals that will take a beating but are built like tonka toys :D, Steel Series for keyboard and mouse, CH Products for Hotas. High enough outlay at the buyin but these will all last more that 5 to 7 years. Cpu and Gpu I buy in a couple of months after the latest and greatest is released and I get the 2nd thier of the previous generation.
PSU is key to stability I've found, no need for 1K monsters, a real 650W from a manufacturer like Seasonic, Corsair or be-quiet! will handle 2 or 3 Cpu/Gpu upgrades. Case wise, I've always been a fan of the bigger Lian-Li but I built a few machines for family snd friends with Fractal Design cases and they do everything they say on the tin and more.
 

Lestat

Banned
Nice rig! For those of us who like to play on laptops, it's a tougher call :S
Are we getting to the stage will last longer than Moore's law would suggest? I was amazed the consoles lasted 8 years.

Do let us parsimonius beta testers how it is for you :D It really will be Christmas
Maybe you need to look at a laptop with a Desktop cpu or a server chip with a 6 core i7 4960X or a 8 core Xeon E5 2680. If you really have the money 12 core Xeon E5 2697 chip :eek: With dual NVidia GTX 780 4gb. Then toss 8 to 32gb of ram.

Well Pyros I buy to rebuild. So I take a computer or laptop and rebuild it 2 or 3 times. Before buying a new system.
 
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"With all due respect to the OP ignore him" HAH!

With all due respect to the OP ignore him.

Now what kind of respect is that Good sir!? ;)

I think our discussions have been quite useful, in pushing people to one camp or the other - either way, everyone made a decision that was (hopefully) best for them.

I never said it was a terrible idea. I said to think twice and be sure!

As far as recent developments go, the X99 and new processors will be a whole new start of architecture, which is the difference between upgrading a CPU, and replacing a whole system in a few years. So not really unreasonable to think about, is it? If you intend to run two GPU's, similarly, the next gen architecture will give significant longevity, and might be worth waiting for if your rig is up to running ED okay.


For those that are upgrading now, I would say a nice mid-road compromise is a decent board (that can run 2 x8 lanes for the Video Card for crossfiring/SLI) and the 4670K as a sweet little base - use your existing GPU, hang onto it as long as you can, then throw in a modified R9 290. Then, six months later, throw in a second identical one and crossfire. Mmmmmm... You'll be right with that system for some time! Couple with a SSD for blistery performance.
 
Now what kind of respect is that Good sir!? ;)

I think our discussions have been quite useful, in pushing people to one camp or the other - either way, everyone made a decision that was (hopefully) best for them.

I never said it was a terrible idea. I said to think twice and be sure!

As far as recent developments go, the X99 and new processors will be a whole new start of architecture, which is the difference between upgrading a CPU, and replacing a whole system in a few years. So not really unreasonable to think about, is it? If you intend to run two GPU's, similarly, the next gen architecture will give significant longevity, and might be worth waiting for if your rig is up to running ED okay.


For those that are upgrading now, I would say a nice mid-road compromise is a decent board (that can run 2 x8 lanes for the Video Card for crossfiring/SLI) and the 4670K as a sweet little base - use your existing GPU, hang onto it as long as you can, then throw in a modified R9 290. Then, six months later, throw in a second identical one and crossfire. Mmmmmm... You'll be right with that system for some time! Couple with a SSD for blistery performance.

Hi Echo, debate indeed enlightens (well, at least it is a entertaining way to waste time:p).

But I disagree on the evaluation where things are headed. The X99 chipset, while it will bring some news (DDR4 support), is going to be used with Haswell-E CPUs. Traditionally, the "E" line has been of terrible value for gamers, no matter how nice it is for breaking benchmark world records - way more expensive platform (400USD+) with negligible gaming performance impact). This won't be any different, with the added component of being a "older than usual" arch, as by then the mainstream line will be moving into Broadwell (Z97 chipset?).

Speaking of Broadwell, news so far have been not very promising to gamers and PC enthusiasts (more Haswell styled changes). So more 5% there, if that.

DDR4 will bring some improvement but not at the beginning (expensive and remember that 1866+ DDR3 already starts to have diminishing returns on 4ghz Haswell). Where it will have significant impact is on bandwidth starved APUs. Good news for AMD.

Kaveri looks interesting but it most likely play catch up to Haswell (not a bad thing).

So I say now is a good time to buy - nothing significant in the next 9 to 12 months ahead (*maybe* new GPUs @20nm at the end of the timeframe), with recent and significant price drops on GPUs after 6 months of stagnation. The 280x and 290 are of specially good value and will last, even without companion (xfire) while the display is 1080p/1440p respectively.

Now, while the core HW outlook is a bit bland, on the SW side lots of interesting stuff. In games and APIs. Interesting stuff on display & VR side also :D
 
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