Well, I'm not sure which specific cases your talking about, but the fact that you have a problem with gci is coming through loud clear.
PvP [VIDEO] PvP Gunship Runs from Docking Computer FDL???
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Arguendo
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Actually, I don't have a problem with GCI. There are however some inconsistencies in what some in the PvP community say, depending on who they are talking with. GCI
is just one spot where this is found, and it's for sure not applicable to everyone in that Discord. There are plenty of nice peeps there with lots of knowledge to share.
Note: I can see why you think it's GCI I have a problem with, when looking at my reply above. That was just used as an example of where you can find what I am talking about, and wasn't meant to be a catch-all for that Discord, but I see that it looks like that was my intention.
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Turning your ship around, and "running for the hills" - while classing that as a 'reverski' isn't reverski.
But, the main point of the matter is, Reverski In and OF ITSELF is not a problem in game, whatsoever.
However, the point some others have tried to make to you, is that an FDL relying on just reverski against a ship much more fragile and less maneuverable than it, is pure silliness.
Especially if that FDL player fully turns around and runs so far that he is basically in another instance with the way the Peer-to-Peer, works in Elite.
Even I don't understand what your problem with GCI is either, Arguendo. And most of us here can't really seem to explain it to you, in so far as you just need to experience it firsthand yourself.
It's always best to experience anything yourself, before you make disingenuous assertions.
You can call my text 'chest thumping' if that's how you perceive it. but, those were the facts of what did happen, and in no-way can be a 'chest thump.'
If you (yourself) doubt that, I would be more than welcome to 1v1 you and prove some of the points made here, if you so desired?
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Arguendo
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And I never called what Nightshady did a Reverski. I was replying to another post which stated that Reverski was a stupid tactic, but then went on to say that Reverski was ok if you're doing FA OFF.
Really? How many times have you seen someone get talked down to for being a Reverski pilot? I've seen plenty, and again, we're not talking about what Nightshady did in his video.
I never said otherwise. I wasn't referring to Nightshady's tactic at all, as explained a few posts back.
See the Note in my answer to Jason Barron. GCI was used as an example, as it's probably the best known PvP Discord in the game and I know Jason frequents it as I've talked with him in it
GCI is not the issue. Period.
The chest-thumping comment was made because you wrote paragraphs (plural!) about your fight that had literally nothing to do with what I wrote in the post you replied to. And then you challenge me to a duel? I mean, c'mon. You're literally putting your head on the chopping block here
Your challenge does however clearly show that you don't understand what my point is. Again, it has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with Nightshady's tactics in the video. Let me spell it out:
A: "Reverski is bad"
B: "Ok, I've heard that Reverski is bad. But I've also heard that other things are bad in PVP and it seems that this list is changing every day"
A: "Ok. Well, Reverski is bad. Some of the guys doing FA OFF does Reverski, then it's not bad. But when doing it FA ON, it's bad"
B: "But you just said that Reverski is bad. So it's not always bad? Or are you saying it depends on the person doing it, how good they are at PvP, and how well they're liked in the PvP Community? Because that's what it appears like"
A: "...."
And in comes you, referring to the fight with Nightshady.
See what my point is? I often see some parts of the PvP Community pick and choose things that are "bad" depending on what side of the fence they are on at the time and who they are talking about. And this is not me trying to pick on Gribley, it's just that he posted what I have seen so many times in PvP oriented Discords. Different rules depending on who you are. You have to be with the cool kids, as I called them earlier, to always know what the rules are, and whether they are applicable to you or not.
looks like i mangled the explanation to that one.
reverski is never OK as a tactic. what i was trying to say is that most players at least have the modicum of skill required to pull the dirty trick off in FA-off and that nightshadey is so utterly awful at PvP that he cannot even manage that.
Arguendo
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Fair enough gribley.
I agree with you about the Reverski btw. I just don't call what Nightshady did Reverski. That's something entirely else to me, and does not involved running away, but always facing your opponent and keeping them at a distance by reversing away from them. Basically an "I have long range weapons. Neener neener!" tactic.
Apparantly others think it's an ok tactic to use and have no problems with it, and I am not talking about Nightshady
Fair enough gribley.
I agree with you about the Reverski btw. I just don't call what Nightshady did Reverski. That's something entirely else to me, and does not involved running away, but always facing your opponent and keeping them at a distance by reversing away from them. Basically an "I have long range weapons. Neener neener!" tactic.
Apparantly others think it's an ok tactic to use and have no problems with it, and I am not talking about Nightshady
There are limitations to reverse being a legit thing, at least in my opinion.
Some ships can not do any turning without that ability, those include the (What is Turning?) Cutter, and the (I'm not a combat ship at all,) Python.
Those 2 ships, are some examples, also the T7, Keelback and T9 for that matter.
But those are non PVP-viable ships.
And for an FDL to use reverski as a 'tactic' never makes sense - ever.
Nor does something like, say a FAS, b/c those ships are fast and in the hands of a capable pilot, even with long range weapons, a pilot can make use of them without needing to spend the entire fight in reverse.
So, what Shady did, was reverski, with the added fact that he also ran from the fight - during it as well.
But, then again, I am quoting a 12.5th member, so /shrug - go figure...
Some Deadly Combat Pilots...shakes head...gotta wonder where all that time in game is spent...
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Eight pages in and not a single response from the OP? Kind of telling.
Anyway, thanks to y'all for making it a pretty interesting read.
Anyway, thanks to y'all for making it a pretty interesting read.
Might want to do a little self reflection there before calling other people out as egomaniacs. The OP managed to get your collective knickers in a right twist with a single post, and no one here has actually realised that, as you're still all talking about it. From my point of view while the fight was a stale mate, he clearly won on the psychological front.
And while being long overdue, finally my POV of this "fight" with Nightshady in my Federal Gunship:
Apologies that it took so long to get my 50:15 minute video edited down to an appropriate size.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4DAiTmaGCs
Fly Dangerously CMDRs.
Apologies that it took so long to get my 50:15 minute video edited down to an appropriate size.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4DAiTmaGCs
Fly Dangerously CMDRs.
Gaining faction rank
Gaining Superpower rank
Unlocking Engineers
Getting PowerPlay modules
Collecting materials
Making credits
Using Engineers
Once all that's done, then you can start to really play the game.
I'd say the OP is living rent-free in Falter's mind.
Arguendo
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Hahaha! You're still trying eh? I see you still haven't had that chat with your "teacher" who you "talk to every day" btw. You really should have that chat. Seriously. You may be enlightened, but then again, I am not so sure you want to know what's real and not at this point. Oh well. Such is lifeBut, then again, I am quoting a 12.5th member, so /shrug - go figure...
Some Deadly Combat Pilots...shakes head...gotta wonder where all that time in game is spent...
This - 100% this. I see one person running in this video and it isn't a gunship, how could a gunship run from an FDL anyway?
Yeah, as I said I see one person running in this fight and it isn't a gunship - but nice try with the title I suppose.
Correct me if I'm wrong but did you not break your own rules of engagement. At 7:10 in your latest video posted do you not synth heat sinks???Then chaff at 15:25??? Kettle meet pot??