Voice Attack - Still no way to force/reset location in left/right tabs so VA can control them?

[NeilF]

Not been using VA for a while, but one of the problems initiating commands to the left/right panels was it depended where you were already in them.

I assume there's no craft way yet in ED to reset your position so VA can then always start from a know position.

eg: If you want a VA script to turn on/off a given module? What happens if you've left it in a random tab in the right panel?



ps: I know you can right all manner of things using variables, but the moment a key depression is made outside of VA (directly into ED) all bets are off of course.

 

[Engadine]

In my configuration to Request Docking I just added the commands to make sure it always went back to the Nav panel. I then used the Nav Panel as a Home/Start reference.

Possibly might not help you in what you're trying to get VA to do, but might be worth considering or trying?

 

[NeilF]

In my configuration to Request Docking I just added the commands to make sure it always went back to the Nav panel. I then used the Nav Panel as a Home/Start reference.

Possibly might not help you in what you're trying to get VA to do, but might be worth considering or trying?

Let's assume you want to go to the modules and power down a module 3 down. So you'd fire off the keys:-
2 - Right panel
E - Right a tab
S - Down a module
S - Down a module
S - Down a module
SPACE - turn if off
W - Up a module
W - Up a module
W - Up a module
Q - Left a tab
2 - Leave panel

That's fine. But if you're already on a different tab in the right panel (say cargo), it falls apart.


In an ideal world there would be a key to reset/move your position on each panel to a default start/home position.

 

[Ozmodion]

Let's assume you want to go to the modules and power down a module 3 down. So you'd fire off the keys:-
2 - Right panel
E - Right a tab
S - Down a module
S - Down a module
S - Down a module
SPACE - turn if off
W - Up a module
W - Up a module
W - Up a module
Q - Left a tab
2 - Leave panel

That's fine. But if you're already on a different tab in the right panel (say cargo), it falls apart.

In an ideal world there would be a key to reset/move your position on each panel to a default start/home position.

now try doing that with the Oculus Rift.....doesn't work.

 

[AH_ImADot]

I'm hoping when the game API is published, some smart person will find an easy way to have VA poll certain game elements such as active panel tab and gear/scoop status.

 

[NeilF]

I'm hoping when the game API is published, some smart person will find an easy way to have VA poll certain game elements such as active panel tab and gear/scoop status.

A far easier answer would be for ED just to give us a bind to reset the position to a logical start point in a panel.

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now try doing that with the Oculus Rift.....doesn't work.

That worries me VA is a great tool for the OR... so to lose so much of its power is shame

 

[Engadine]

Let's assume you want to go to the modules and power down a module 3 down. So you'd fire off the keys:-
2 - Right panel
E - Right a tab
S - Down a module
S - Down a module
S - Down a module
SPACE - turn if off
W - Up a module
W - Up a module
W - Up a module
Q - Left a tab
2 - Leave panel

That's fine. But if you're already on a different tab in the right panel (say cargo), it falls apart.


In an ideal world there would be a key to reset/move your position on each panel to a default start/home position.

Yeah, I agree it would.

The only current option is for you to get into the habit of closing the Panel on your chosen tab (Status/Modules/Fire Groups etc) when you access them manually. Then each of your VA Commands have them go back to Status, if you decide this is your "Home/Start", or Nav if on Left Panel, before you close the panel.

It might not be ideal, but it's a work around.

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A far easier answer would be for ED just to give us a bind to reset the position to a logical start point in a panel.

Sorry, but that I can't see ever happening.

 

[robbyp]

Asked a lot of times for a key assignment for a fixed point in the panel, back to last august,and they won't do it.

I've have to admit since the CH pro throttle arrived with its many buttons, I've given up on VA. Dont need it anymore.

 

[Engadine]

The best you could hope for is that they number the Tabs (1 - 5) on both sides.

 

[CMDR RAY-ZOR'SHARP]

Let's assume you want to go to the modules and power down a module 3 down. So you'd fire off the keys:-
2 - Right panel
E - Right a tab
S - Down a module
S - Down a module
S - Down a module
SPACE - turn if off
W - Up a module
W - Up a module
W - Up a module
Q - Left a tab
2 - Leave panel

That's fine. But if you're already on a different tab in the right panel (say cargo), it falls apart.


In an ideal world there would be a key to reset/move your position on each panel to a default start/home position.

Could you not continue the key sequence to set the panel to your default home position before exiting?

 

[Engadine]

Could you not continue the key sequence to set the panel to your default home position before exiting?

Exactly my point in post #7

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=158689&p=2423470&viewfull=1#post2423470

 

[sqzbox1]

But the thing is, this approach requires that you ALWAYS and ONLY use VA for ALL commands. It will work if you do this but I find that I tend to mix and match between using VA and keystrokes, usually depending on other factors such as what other noises are going on around me and how well VA is recognising my commands (it doesn't always).

 

[Engadine]

But the thing is, this approach requires that you ALWAYS and ONLY use VA for ALL commands. It will work if you do this but I find that I tend to mix and match between using VA and keystrokes, usually depending on other factors such as what other noises are going on around me and how well VA is recognising my commands (it doesn't always).

No, it doesn't. All you need to do is get into the habit of, is when you access either the Left or Right panels exit them on your chosen "Home" Tab, be this Nav for the Left Panel & Status for the Right.

 

[jgm]

The problem with using voice attack, or any macro system, is that the UI is variably responsive. If you're in the middle of a battle keystrokes (or their macro equivalent) can get lost, especially if they're coming in quick succession. So you have to put gaps inbetween them, which slows the whole thing down.

I ended up using VA for power management presets, but gave up with anything on the side panels. It's just to unreliable.

 

[Traveler]

In VA I've used the routine suggested by @Engadine + if some command has "misfired" I've manually set positions to default (navigation/status tab) and created a command "reset panels" to reset panel variables. I'm afraid that's the best we can do without some in-game reset feature.

The problem with using voice attack, or any macro system, is that the UI is variably responsive. If you're in the middle of a battle keystrokes (or their macro equivalent) can get lost, especially if they're coming in quick succession. So you have to put gaps inbetween them, which slows the whole thing down.

I ended up using VA for power management presets, but gave up with anything on the side panels. It's just to unreliable.

True. But i think if you set pauses correctly it's quite reliable, at least it was for me.

 

[Kyudos]

Can't you simply add enough "tab move" commands to be sure you always start where you want?

e.g. (is it Q to move a tab to the left ?) Q, Q, Q, Q , Q...then command sequence? Or do the tabs wrap around?

 

[Traveler]

Can't you simply add enough "tab move" commands to be sure you always start where you want?

e.g. (is it Q to move a tab to the left ?) Q, Q, Q, Q , Q...then command sequence? Or do the tabs wrap around?

They do wrap around.
Otherwise it'd be easy.

 

[Arjin]

Can't you simply add enough "tab move" commands to be sure you always start where you want?

e.g. (is it Q to move a tab to the left ?) Q, Q, Q, Q , Q...then command sequence? Or do the tabs wrap around?

The tabs do wrap around which can make it easier to have the panel close out on your home tab.


Edit: For example, my contacts profile is like this, I say contacts VA opens left panel, tabs to contacts, I say close contacts, VA can either tab 2 times back or 2 times forward thus landing on Navigation tab and the exit out.

Edit #2 my request for docking utilizes the same setup as everyone's else's but I added the execute command close contacts at the end so it always goes back to nav tab.

 

[CMDR Slayith]

If you want to code it, and its possible, set a variable 1-5 for which window you are currently on, and also a bool variable for if a window is currently open or not.
Then set other commands for presses of Q and E while window open=true to change the current window variable.

I can send my very convoluted VA file if anyone wants, its customized for my hotas,
but has voice controlled 2 step cargo jettison ( VA asks if your sure before dumping),
and the ability to go to all the panels from any panel or galaxy map all by voice.
Full control of hardpoints, toggles, power configs etc.


as there is no direct api to detect window states things do get miss aligned from time to time.
I have voice commands to reset many combinations of variables depending on what is incorrect.
also saves/loads your landing gear state in registry so that i dont have to reset it when joining/exiting docked.

It is not perfect, but i have worked it to the point where i can play in vr free of having to worry about its functionality ingame, i usually have to "set" the current pane im on landing approach before calling out the docking command

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sorry for double post, but i cannot edit yet.

PS the landing gear registry thing is a plugin i wrote for VA. not stand alone VA code it will be broken when you load just the VA file.

 

[AH_ImADot]

Every time you engage the FSD, the left panel sets itself to the Nav tab. It's pretty safe to assume that will be the current tab when you come out of Hyperspace or Supercruise.

If I'm not mistaken, you can also set VA to respond to key presses as well as voice commands. If you use a variable to track the active tab, you could have VA merely add or subtract 1 in response to the bound key to move from tab to tab. VA doesn't have to send the keystroke to the game, just alter the variable's value to keep things in sync.

You can also have a command to assign a specific value to the VA variable, to manually sync in cases where it gets off..."Set left panel value two", etc.