Good for unemployment in the European Union
General / Off-Topic Volkswagen confirms the removal of 30000 jobs in the world (Two thirds in Germany)
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Okay again some thousand unemployed people in germany. But there will be more. "Die Bahn" is the next corporation who removes a few thousand jobs.
And meanwhile the people are fræking out for a job that pays lesser than you need for your flat.
And meanwhile the people are fræking out for a job that pays lesser than you need for your flat.
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Volkswagen deserves to go down. They have done more than enough damage to the reputation of German engineering.
We are known for quality products at a higher price. We have a say here in the southern parts "cheap is worthless" and that's how we got an industry nation with no resources of our own.
I hope the Labour unions rip them a new one and have them pay dearly for every employee they let go. I hope bmw and Mercedes pick up the business and reputation. And Ford an Opel/Vauxhall for their mid-tier offers (which barely even exist). And I hope they finally go after dumb top managers who gut a company for short term profit and their stupid insanely high bonuses.
They are cowards, their decisions worthless for anyone but their own profit and an overblown shareholder value.
And if you remember, there was a discussion about if Elite Dangerous is "worth the millions we payed for it" and I wrote it's every cent I spent on it and I support every quality job created in the EU (or the UK .. Norway isn't in the EU, either, but we still have fair trade with them). Every owner-run company, where the major part of the shares is held by the founder (and I hope it stays that way).
A company might need external investors, but having a good product that is marketeable should always be the top priority and I find ED -for the special interest game it is- to hold up exceedingly well against the copy&paste franchises of this world.
We are known for quality products at a higher price. We have a say here in the southern parts "cheap is worthless" and that's how we got an industry nation with no resources of our own.
I hope the Labour unions rip them a new one and have them pay dearly for every employee they let go. I hope bmw and Mercedes pick up the business and reputation. And Ford an Opel/Vauxhall for their mid-tier offers (which barely even exist). And I hope they finally go after dumb top managers who gut a company for short term profit and their stupid insanely high bonuses.
They are cowards, their decisions worthless for anyone but their own profit and an overblown shareholder value.
And if you remember, there was a discussion about if Elite Dangerous is "worth the millions we payed for it" and I wrote it's every cent I spent on it and I support every quality job created in the EU (or the UK .. Norway isn't in the EU, either, but we still have fair trade with them). Every owner-run company, where the major part of the shares is held by the founder (and I hope it stays that way).
A company might need external investors, but having a good product that is marketeable should always be the top priority and I find ED -for the special interest game it is- to hold up exceedingly well against the copy&paste franchises of this world.
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What does the European Union have to do with this? Your hatred of the EU is clear, but why oh why must every single little thing, from struggling multinationals to farting at the dinner table, be the fault of the EU?
Minonian
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The cost of cheating i guess.
Yaffle
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Pretty much this. Sadly, as ever, the poor people who were just making the cars suffer the most, those complicit in the deed suffer the least. C'est la vie.
Minonian
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There is something what i don't get it? If the environment protection rules was impossibly tight to them why did not told that, and made sure it will not pass instead of lying and cheating?
Human stupidity never ceases to amaze me...
Edit; Besides i don't think you are right. After all the whole company going to be crippled because of this. What pretty much means they will pay the price just not before a court.
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I was listening to a Ford supplier in Cologne about 15 years ago.
He told me, the engine blocks they made were shipped to south america to be joined with the transmissions that were made .. in the factory next door. And then sent back to Cologne to be built into a car. Overall, the savings per engine were <10$. But they build millions of engines a year and put them into millions of cars. (why did he tell me that? because I was writing the logistics software and needed the specs - phonebook size VDA standards).
Madness you think, because the risk is too high?
Well, the financial risk is covered by hedgefonds, who cover any lost production - but in order to keep the system running, you need to cut further costs.
VW tried to renegociate prices with their suppliers and refused to pay their bills. I guess it was so existential that the suppliers just opted out (being connected to the mother company by all but legal paperwork) this time and rather let it escalate.
They could build stuff up to specs. Or save a few cents per piece. (Delphi, Pilkington, Hela, Parat ... been there, seen that)
They call it smart. You remember smart people are the reason why we can't have nice things?
Any further questions?
They will whine to be bailed out, because they're structurally so important to the german economy.
I hope someone remembers the damage they did to the brand "made in germany". If not .. we'll remind them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6kMtliW4rc
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As the driver of a pure electric car, and after having watched just how much VW and the other companies are willfully ignoring electric vehicles and doing everything they can to protect their currently very lucrative SUVs, I have no sympathy.
Oh and Winterkorn as well as the current VW boss should not be fired, they should be in jail for willfully deceiving while not giving a damn about the consequences to everyone around them.
Oh and Winterkorn as well as the current VW boss should not be fired, they should be in jail for willfully deceiving while not giving a damn about the consequences to everyone around them.
Funny enough, Opel (who is a GM company), has a fully electric car (the ampera), BMW has an entire line.
We *know* the end of the combustion engine will be over soon enough.
I'd rather commute in some silly wrrrwrrrr and drive a V8 for weekends -which requires infrastructure for both and creates jobs- than that "if we cheat enough, noone will notice".
I spend about 600 a month just for commuting, which is only partially tax deductible .. whoever wants that kind of money, better work on some solutions I can use.
I was listening to a Ford supplier in Cologne about 15 years ago.
He told me, the engine blocks they made were shipped to south america to be joined with the transmissions that were made .. in the factory next door. And then sent back to Cologne to be built into a car. Overall, the savings per engine were <10$. But they build millions of engines a year and put them into millions of cars. (why did he tell me that? because I was writing the logistics software and needed the specs - phonebook size VDA standards).
Madness you think, because the risk is too high?
Well, the financial risk is covered by hedgefonds, who cover any lost production - but in order to keep the system running, you need to cut further costs.
VW tried to renegociate prices with their suppliers and refused to pay their bills. I guess it was so existential that the suppliers just opted out (being connected to the mother company by all but legal paperwork) this time and rather let it escalate.
They could build stuff up to specs. Or save a few cents per piece. (Delphi, Pilkington, Hela, Parat ... been there, seen that)
They call it smart. You remember smart people are the reason why we can't have nice things?
Any further questions?
They will whine to be bailed out, because they're structurally so important to the german economy.
I hope someone remembers the damage they did to the brand "made in germany". If not .. we'll remind them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6kMtliW4rc
Dont forget smart people are also the reason nice things exist at all...
Dont forget smart people are also the reason nice things exist at all...
Yea, but really smart people know they're stupid.
Amendment: ".. and that's just an educated guess".
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Opel is just selling the GM Chevy Bolt under a different name. The main problem with this car is that it is designed to force you towards expensive DC fast charge stations, so they can have you pay exactly the same as you would for gasoline. The AC charger in that car is laughably slow so it takes 12 hours to charge at home. Compare this to my Zoe, which goes from 0 to 80% in less than an hour - at home, without expensive charge equipment.
Also note that it was GM who had all EV-1 taken from customers and destroyed when the California emissions laws were relaxed again.
The BMW i-line only has one fully electric car, the i3. That car costs 2.5 times as much as my Zoe. Both the i3 and the Zoe are now available with bigger batteries, but the new Zoe has a 41kWh battery vs. the 30kWh in the updated i3.
Also, the engineers who designed the i3 electric drivetrain no longer work at BMW, and the entire i-line was spun off as a separate company. BMW is instead pushing their plug-in hybrids, which are going to completely obliterate our already-fragile charge infrastructure. In my city, you already can't charge on a public charger half of the time because some goddamn hybrid is charging his micro-battery which will save him a litre of gasoline.
And Volkswagen? They sell the E-golf, which is a converted gasoline car with a tiny battery, and when it came out the software in that car even reminded drivers to "change the motor oil". That's how serious they are about electric cars.
No. Let them die.
If you want to send them a message, don't buy their products. Even my Renault is just a tide-me-over until the Model 3 comes out.
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BBC News article, Fortune.com and Reuters for more detail.
Interestingly, this appears to be signed off by the labour unions. Seems to me to be a bit of a combination of needing to save money to handle the penalties from the emissions scandal and a sign of the changing times & technology.
Interestingly, this appears to be signed off by the labour unions. Seems to me to be a bit of a combination of needing to save money to handle the penalties from the emissions scandal and a sign of the changing times & technology.
Minonian
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Anyone can think he can get away a lie this big, without serious consequences, and never comes to the surface? Out of his mind!
Yea, but really smart people know they're stupid.
Very true.When you reach the borders of the human knowledge and take a look to the wast ocean of unknown? Thats humbling.
Neither me.
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They got away with it since the fricking Colonial times. Where do you think the entire "family capital" comes from.
France, Germany, UK.
But they rely on information monopoly. The textbooks and the media. Generation X did not push for a free internet so they'd remain stupid.
Conspiracy theory? Do your fact checking yourself.
Get a college degree in economics and then go and fact check all the things they do with the textbooks.
Pricing, supply chain, risk management - take it to the max and see where you get.
That's why my Thesis was about "why fair trade is not actually fair and how to make it fairer", while everyone else was writing about maximizing profits and the human capital. Only got a C+ as end result, but that was academically fair - had a limited amount of ressources but spend 2 month in south america for my research. Of course they could not follow my reasoning.
Google Grameen Bank and similar "micro credit" financial institutes.
Thanks google - now stop tracking my adult movie website visits. I know what I like, I don't need "related suggestions". I need a break.
Is that a spoiler for the Formidine Rift?
Was planning on opening a Restaurant there.
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Thanks google - now stop tracking my adult movie website visits. I know what I like, I don't need "related suggestions". I need a break.
I know you're making a point about Google here, but if you didn't yet, I recommend opting out of their filter bubble. At least they give the option, even though they make you dig deep to find the options.
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Well, I grew up with Usenet and stuff. I think I can handle a bit of Google.
Yaknow .. they say, on the internet, noone knows you're a dog.
Unless you google me, then you know for sure:
http://www.adoptapet.com/pet/10366748-portland-maine-cattle-dog-mix
(and my mother found out I'm adopted
)
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Well, I grew up with Usenet and stuff. I think I can handle a bit of Google.
Yaknow .. they say, on the internet, noone knows you're a dog.
Unless you google me, then you know for sure:
http://www.adoptapet.com/pet/10366748-portland-maine-cattle-dog-mix
(and my mother found out I'm adopted
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/08/08f83fc14342a9348ca963f357b7eac66ace84588682acc7bbb2950f393d0946.jpg
ROFL. I love the modem reference
Alot of Media Coverage for something thats not really a big thing to be honest.
In Germany thanks to the Employment Laws. Its not really easy to get People out.
And unless VW wants to demolish its company they cant just randomly fire People.
VW on their Part has already announced that the Reduction of Work Places will be done via Pensioning Workers by using Part Time Pension Stockup (People get less Money but in exchange go into Pension earlier) and other Models.
I know your Desperate to somehow try and spread hatred about the EU. But heck dont you have anything better to do in your Life than to attempt and make an Elephant out of Mosquito ?
In Germany thanks to the Employment Laws. Its not really easy to get People out.
And unless VW wants to demolish its company they cant just randomly fire People.
VW on their Part has already announced that the Reduction of Work Places will be done via Pensioning Workers by using Part Time Pension Stockup (People get less Money but in exchange go into Pension earlier) and other Models.
I know your Desperate to somehow try and spread hatred about the EU. But heck dont you have anything better to do in your Life than to attempt and make an Elephant out of Mosquito ?