Warthog Yaw

[Faster than Jesus [VR]]

Yeah, I know this has come up before. I've ditched my X52 as it is beginning to accumulate a number of faults and declining performance; the throttle has been taken apart once for jury rigged repairs and the stick is borderline knackered despite (or maybe because of) some greasing. So, I decided to plumb for the Warthog, which seems like a very nice piece of kit.

However, I can't fly anymore. I'm useless. Seriously, if you want a laugh or a cheap PVP kill you just need to find me in open. This is mostly, but not limited to the lack of yaw. I briefly tried to yaw to roll, but this only resulted in my briefly renaming my Fer-de-Lance to Clown Car.

I have ordered an MFG Crosswind, but it ain't arriving for a couple of months and I don't intend on ignoring the 3.0 release. So, any opinions about whether I should try and map something to yaw (I'm thinking maybe the nose controller) or learning to fly without yaw until the MFGs arrive? My concern is learning to use a patched up yaw means that I've something else to unlearn when the pedals arrive. So, any thoughts from other Warthog owners?

Yes, I realise this is 34th century problems.

 

[Stamford Rider]

Yeah, I know this has come up before. I've ditched my X52 as it is beginning to accumulate a number of faults and declining performance; the throttle has been taken apart once for jury rigged repairs and the stick is borderline knackered despite (or maybe because of) some greasing. So, I decided to plumb for the Warthog, which seems like a very nice piece of kit.

However, I can't fly anymore. I'm useless. Seriously, if you want a laugh or a cheap PVP kill you just need to find me in open. This is mostly, but not limited to the lack of yaw. I briefly tried to yaw to roll, but this only resulted in my briefly renaming my Fer-de-Lance to Clown Car.

I have ordered an MFG Crosswind, but it ain't arriving for a couple of months and I don't intend on ignoring the 3.0 release. So, any opinions about whether I should try and map something to yaw (I'm thinking maybe the nose controller) or learning to fly without yaw until the MFGs arrive? My concern is learning to use a patched up yaw means that I've something else to unlearn when the pedals arrive. So, any thoughts from other Warthog owners?

Yes, I realise this is 34th century problems.

Rudder pedals?

 

[Deep Thought 42]

I use this config https://www.mcdee.net/elite/binds/decggy?replay=decggy for my warthog

I use the mouse thingy for yaw sorry cant remember the knobs correct name lol

 

[777Driver]

Rudder pedals?

Crosswinds are rudder pedals. OP needs help until his pedals arrive.

 

[Faster than Jesus [VR]]

Rudder pedals?

Yeah, that's what the MFG Crosswinds are. Unfortunately a couple of months till they arrive.

 

[777Driver]

Yeah, that's what the MFG Crosswinds are. Unfortunately a couple of months till they arrive.

For general flight you can get away with no yaw, it sucks but it works, for combat no way.

I briefly flew without pedals using the Yaw\Roll controller option. A single button push will swap your roll to yaw, and vice versa

The yaw\roll option is not the same as yaw into roll, never found a use for the latter

 

[KillaALF]

Rudder pedals?

As he said, Crosswinds are ordered ...

So, any thoughts from other Warthog owners?

Dunno what I would do in that situation, tbh. My Crosswinds were a replacement for Saitek's rudder pedals, so I never had to make do without pedals. I'd probably shelve Elite in the meantime, but then I'm at a phase were I play the game rather intermittently anyway, leaving for weeks or months at a time - only to come back again when the urge hits me. 3.0 will still be here in a couple of months, you know. I don't think combat's gonna be a lot of fun without some kind of yaw, especially if you use fixed weapons, but having yaw on the stick or throttle does not sound that thrilling either.

 

[Faster than Jesus [VR]]

I use this config https://www.mcdee.net/elite/binds/decggy?replay=decggy for my warthog

I use the mouse thingy for yaw sorry cant remember the knobs correct name lol

Might be worth trying. I have more spare fingers on that control

For general flight you can get away with no yaw, it sucks but it works, for combat no way.

I briefly flew without pedals using the Yaw\Roll controller option. A single button push will swap your roll to yaw, and vice versa

The yaw\roll option is not the same as yaw into roll, never found a use for the latter

Good suggestion. The extra button press my help prevent it becoming too ingrained, too.

 

[Faster than Jesus [VR]]

As he said, Crosswinds are ordered ...



Dunno what I would do in that situation, tbh. My Crosswinds were a replacement for Saitek's rudder pedals, so I never had to make do without pedals. I'd probably shelve Elite in the meantime, but then I'm at a phase were I play the game rather intermittently anyway, leaving for weeks or months at a time - only to come back again when the urge hits me. 3.0 will still be here in a couple of months, you know. I don't think combat's gonna be a lot of fun without some kind of yaw, especially if you use fixed weapons, but having yaw on the stick or throttle does not sound that thrilling either.

Heh. Fair point.

I think I've landed about 10% of my railgun shots since getting the Warthog.

 

[Para Handy]

............ (I'm thinking maybe the nose controller) ...........

I use the pinky switch on my CHPro Fighterstick as a press-to-hold Yaw-to-Roll binding. I don't even use my pedals any more, it is so natural to just hold in the pinky switch and then the left or right tilt of the stick gives the yaw in that direction instead of the normal roll.

Give it a try, you will be surprised how quick it becomes second nature.

 

[Marklar_]

I can't use pedals right now for medical reasons, so on my Warthog I use the little mouse control nub on the throttle for yaw. Just bind the left/right axis to yaw, it takes a bit of getting used to but it works well.

 

[GJ51]

I used the throttle hat switch under left index finger until my Slaw Device pedals arrived.

After that I set it to L/R Thrusters

 

[jasonbirder]

Have you thought about picking up some cheap secondhand Saitek/CH pedals on Ebay...then selling them on again as soon as the crosswinds arrive...like as not you'll only lose the postage costs

 

[Ziljan]

I use the left right axis for yaw and pedals for roll. Really wish we could assign the available pilot animations to specific inputs. It's very strange to honk on the pedals for a roll and see my pilot bearing down hard on the virtual joystick, likewise to yaw with my joystick and have my pilot's hand be motionless.

 

[Audaxxx]

I've tried rudder on almost every button and i find i had the most sucess with yaw on the x-axis and roll on the throttle thumb stick as roll acuracy is less crucial to aiming than yaw. If i'm playing PVP i'll switch to mouse though. Shame ED have balanced the mouse to be superior to hotas as id much rather be playing with hotas permenantly.

 

[Lanceor]

@OP

Switching from an X-55 to a Warthog recently, I know exactly what you mean by clown car. .

Try Yaw into Roll with the "On low roll" setting with sensitivity set quite high (75+%). This means that the stick X-axis functions primarily as yaw (to get those accurate railgun shots) but extreme inputs make your ship roll, exactly as your muscle memory would expect. I use one of the hats (the one by my thumb) to roll without yaw - mainly needed for landing.

A week or two after switching to the Warthog, my aim ended up better than it ever was with a twist stick and 6 DOF combat maneuvers posed no problems at all. Landings aren't quite as slick as with the X-55 - mainly because I can't roll as accurately - but it's a worthwhile tradeoff for the better combat accuracy. I'm not planning to buy any pedals as I don't feel that I'll need them.

 

[furrycat]

Saitek Pro Combat pedals are decent for the money. I used them while I waited for my Crosswinds to arrive then eBayed them.

 

[xaisis]

Hello.

on my warthog i have set alternetive flight controls via press of the pinky.

that way i can do a quick switch and move my pedal axis's to the joystick.

Hope this is usefull.

 

[DNA-Decay]

Yeah, I know this has come up before. I've ditched my X52 as it is beginning to accumulate a number of faults and declining performance; the throttle has been taken apart once for jury rigged repairs and the stick is borderline knackered despite (or maybe because of) some greasing. So, I decided to plumb for the Warthog, which seems like a very nice piece of kit.

However, I can't fly anymore. I'm useless. Seriously, if you want a laugh or a cheap PVP kill you just need to find me in open. This is mostly, but not limited to the lack of yaw. I briefly tried to yaw to roll, but this only resulted in my briefly renaming my Fer-de-Lance to Clown Car.

I have ordered an MFG Crosswind, but it ain't arriving for a couple of months and I don't intend on ignoring the 3.0 release. So, any opinions about whether I should try and map something to yaw (I'm thinking maybe the nose controller) or learning to fly without yaw until the MFGs arrive? My concern is learning to use a patched up yaw means that I've something else to unlearn when the pedals arrive. So, any thoughts from other Warthog owners?

Yes, I realise this is 34th century problems.

eBay.

Second hand Saitek pedals.

Done

 

[GJ51]

Have you thought about picking up some cheap secondhand Saitek/CH pedals on Ebay...then selling them on again as soon as the crosswinds arrive...like as not you'll only lose the postage costs

Do everyone a favor and just throw them out when you're done with them