Warthog Yaw

[Hooplah]

There are lots of finger hat solutions on the Forum for the Warthog yaw over the years which takes memory muscle training to be proficient. Some like the Warthog joystick (identical to the Saitek X-55 joystick controls) and the X-55/56 throttle combo with multiple thumb hats to play with. Yes, Saitek hardware quality is an issue but their software guys nailed programming all the control combinations a player would customize in ED. No other controller programming design comes close.

Still if Thrustmaster ever comes up with a dedicated ED version of the Warthog series including yaw on the joystick and a redesigned throttle they won't be able to keep up with the orders and the Saitek version will be obsolete. But I'm getting off topic. Sorry.

Seeing as you are purchasing high end controllers one could purchase the relatively inexpensive Thrustmaster T-Flight TFRP pedals until the MFG Crosswinds come in. One can even buy refurbished ones on Amazon at 1/3 less new cost arriving in a few days. Then you are flying at your best without retraining later on. Once the Crosswinds arrive put the Thrustmasters on your Xbox or PS4. If purchased new at retail sell them for half price on eBay costing you a whopping $45.00 (32.56£, 36.74€) while you were using them. Even less cost if you went for the refurbished ones breaking even. Maybe clean them up, put them back into the box and that's one less Christmas/Birthday present to purchase for someone!

Note that every controller can break including the Warthog...Although my opinion less actual defects that got past Thrustmaster quality control players who managed to break the Warthog must be training their adult pet Gorilla how to play ED!

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[Faster than Jesus [VR]]

Thanks people. A lot of good suggestions to try for the next couple of months.

I have to agree, breaking the Warthog stick must involve some kind of merger of flight sim and world's strongest man training.

 

[Torashuu]

Create a keybind (f.e. pinky lever) to swap roll into yaw axis. And learn to minimize use of yaw to point your craft, should only really be for minor adjustments anyway. Roll is quick, yaw is poor, so practice rolling -> pitching to get your nose on target. And use gimballed weapons for combat.

Some cheap 2nd hand pedals work as well of course, and you can just sell them on after.

 

[Zeeman]

Yeah, I know this has come up before. I've ditched my X52 as it is beginning to accumulate a number of faults and declining performance; the throttle has been taken apart once for jury rigged repairs and the stick is borderline knackered despite (or maybe because of) some greasing. So, I decided to plumb for the Warthog, which seems like a very nice piece of kit.

However, I can't fly anymore. I'm useless. Seriously, if you want a laugh or a cheap PVP kill you just need to find me in open. This is mostly, but not limited to the lack of yaw. I briefly tried to yaw to roll, but this only resulted in my briefly renaming my Fer-de-Lance to Clown Car.

I have ordered an MFG Crosswind, but it ain't arriving for a couple of months and I don't intend on ignoring the 3.0 release. So, any opinions about whether I should try and map something to yaw (I'm thinking maybe the nose controller) or learning to fly without yaw until the MFGs arrive? My concern is learning to use a patched up yaw means that I've something else to unlearn when the pedals arrive. So, any thoughts from other Warthog owners?

Yes, I realise this is 34th century problems.

Was going to suggest a set of VKB T-rudder pedals, but then saw that you have the Crosswinds on order, which I think will do a fantastic job once they arrive. Until then, though... Do what I did. Go explore, or something that doesn't need too much finesse when flying.

Z...

 

[Judz]

The wait will be worth it, the Crosswinds ooze quality. If mine went to the Pedal Graveyard in the sky I would mourn for years, or until I had some more. I just need to sort out the pitch on my x-55's its quite brutal. It's a fight to stay on target 90% of the time.

 

[Julio Montega]

If you need a yaw axis the mini joystick on the throttle might come in handy.
It is very sensitive and needs some time getting used to it,
but it is worthwhile to compensate the waiting time.

I still use that mini joystick for lat/vert thrusters.

 

[Herbrand]

Yeah, I know this has come up before. I've ditched my X52 as it is beginning to accumulate a number of faults and declining performance; the throttle has been taken apart once for jury rigged repairs and the stick is borderline knackered despite (or maybe because of) some greasing. So, I decided to plumb for the Warthog, which seems like a very nice piece of kit.

However, I can't fly anymore. I'm useless. Seriously, if you want a laugh or a cheap PVP kill you just need to find me in open. This is mostly, but not limited to the lack of yaw. I briefly tried to yaw to roll, but this only resulted in my briefly renaming my Fer-de-Lance to Clown Car.

I have ordered an MFG Crosswind, but it ain't arriving for a couple of months and I don't intend on ignoring the 3.0 release. So, any opinions about whether I should try and map something to yaw (I'm thinking maybe the nose controller) or learning to fly without yaw until the MFGs arrive? My concern is learning to use a patched up yaw means that I've something else to unlearn when the pedals arrive. So, any thoughts from other Warthog owners?

Yes, I realise this is 34th century problems.

I have a similar setup, although I use the X axis to yaw, not to roll.
While I was waiting for my Crosswind to arrive I was using the China Hat on the Warthog Throttle to Roll - give it a shot, while far from ideal and certainly sub-standard in PvP it helped me.

 

[eza]

I use pedals from a cheap Logitech Driving Force EX and they're fine. No need for fancy flightsim rudder pedals for Elite.
(When I play flightsims I have to resort to weird ways to control wheel brakes...I wish I had fancy flightsim pedals...)

I've heard that Elite Dangerous is responsible for an increase in Warthog failures! It's mainly due to the violent and rapid changes in throttle position, which you just don't do with a jet engine.
My Warthog throttle unit has developed a loose connection somewhere which messes up the right throttle's inputs when the lever is in a particular position :-(

 

[BigBANGtheory [VR]]

maybe use the analogue slew control on the throttle until you have pedals

 

[CMDR Carbo]

I use the Trim Thumb switch as yaw left-right, and set the up down directions as additional pitch up-down in addition to the Joystick Y axis.
This has a dual function: you can yaw with your thumb, and use the thumbstick for small accurate corrections while aiming which works incredibly well for me.

As for roll-into-yaw, it's really a different world. I always used it and couldn't fly without, and if you never used it it's probably the other way round. That needs time getting used to.
I set the alternate steering settings to not use roll-into-yaw which I toggle into when I approach a station, because landing and taking off is much easier without roll-into-yaw.

 

[bamber]

It may seem an out there thought but...............

While waiting why not have the enjoyment of a smaller ship? the smaller ships are less reliant on Yaw I find so go planet side in a cobra play around in a small ship and enjoy a bit of wizzing around

Have a bit of fun in an SRV

 

[Commander Dave]

I'd pay a reasonable sum to someone who could properly modify a Warthog with a twist yaw.

 

[Laste]

There's at least 9 buttons on the wathog throttle and joystick that can be remapped to yaw, and these are the ones that would be the easiest to use. Actually you could remap almost any non used button, slider, or toggle to do your yaw.

 

[NascentChemist]

For general flight you can get away with no yaw, it sucks but it works, for combat no way.

I briefly flew without pedals using the Yaw\Roll controller option. A single button push will swap your roll to yaw, and vice versa

The yaw\roll option is not the same as yaw into roll, never found a use for the latter

I wish I could rep you twice. The yaw on my F.16000 is going out, and the VKB rudder pedals I want aren't in stock yet.

I'm using the roll/yaw button on an exploration jaunt, but it's very helpful. With the ghost yaw, I had to actively keep my ship pointed towards targets...

 

[kofeyh]

Yeah, I know this has come up before. I've ditched my X52 as it is beginning to accumulate a number of faults and declining performance; the throttle has been taken apart once for jury rigged repairs and the stick is borderline knackered despite (or maybe because of) some greasing. So, I decided to plumb for the Warthog, which seems like a very nice piece of kit.

However, I can't fly anymore. I'm useless. Seriously, if you want a laugh or a cheap PVP kill you just need to find me in open. This is mostly, but not limited to the lack of yaw. I briefly tried to yaw to roll, but this only resulted in my briefly renaming my Fer-de-Lance to Clown Car.

I have ordered an MFG Crosswind, but it ain't arriving for a couple of months and I don't intend on ignoring the 3.0 release. So, any opinions about whether I should try and map something to yaw (I'm thinking maybe the nose controller) or learning to fly without yaw until the MFGs arrive? My concern is learning to use a patched up yaw means that I've something else to unlearn when the pedals arrive. So, any thoughts from other Warthog owners?

Yes, I realise this is 34th century problems.

Pick a workable hat switch on the A-10 Warthog Replica throttle group and use that; you can re-define when the pedals arrive. This splits left/ right hand functions and will make it less of a problem muscle memory wise when the pedals arrive. That said, getting used to pedals is pretty easy. It's a good setup you'll have.

The Thrustmaster Warthog and throttle group is amazing though, I love mine. Bought it for DCS World, and it's been just exceptional in Elite as well.

I use the left right axis for yaw and pedals for roll. Really wish we could assign the available pilot animations to specific inputs. It's very strange to honk on the pedals for a roll and see my pilot bearing down hard on the virtual joystick, likewise to yaw with my joystick and have my pilot's hand be motionless.

Frontier can't really intrinsically 'know' what control HID (human interface device) you are using without the driver exposing it; the model in our chairs is simple rigged to show the movements. The same thing is true for people who use two sticks, and use either one for yaw, or if people use controllers. I have no idea how hard it is to have the movements be definable.

Side note? A friend of mine uses a trackball for elite. So imagine how confused his pilot must look.

 

[ArgusP]

yaw=red china hat bottom right of throttle