Powerplay We are NULL, and we want to be free!

outsidefactor

outsidefactor
Greetings Commanders,

For some time, we in NULL have been active in the community as keepers of peace. We have staunchly defended our independence, and have carved a small corner of the Galaxy out where we and our visitors, friends and allies can live and fly in peace.

Recently, the Galactic Powers have taken an interest in our little corner of space, and we have been forced to make some decisions. It has become clear that Independence is no longer possible, and to defend our goal of self governance and spiritual independence, we must seek the support of a Power. After much debate, we have asked Prime Minister Mahon to assist us with our desire for self governance, and as part of that assist us with taking control of DR Crucis for Mahon, and bring the Alliance into our area. This, unfortunately, conflicts with Shadow President Winters' goals.

We have no hatred for Winters and her Commanders. We bear them no ill-will, and we understand that they have made plans, but those plans were made in isolation and have an impact on us, and we have the right to have a say in what happens near us. We offered to assist them to move elsewhere, we offered compensation for the trouble caused by us asking them to move elsewhere, and despite many of our goals being similar they chose to hold their direction, despite the impact it will have on us. We respect their right to do so.

So, we ask that if you value Freedom and the right of a people to govern themselves as they see fit, please support us in our bid for self determination, or at the very least stay on the sidelines, but I hope that Commanders will recognise our desire for freedom, and support it.

We shall overcome!

Please feel free to join us on our TS: ts.ltt4961.space

If you wish to join us, you can find us via the Elite Dangerous community: https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/115325334514949469852

This post is also echoed on reddit here: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteMahon/comments/47anxq/we_are_null_and_we_want_to_be_free/
 

Ant_Solo

Ant_Solo
Powerplay has nothing to do with governance, it is to do with popularity and influence. If your system is or becomes a Winters control system or an exploited one she doesn't goven or rule over you, she is popular with the citizens of that system and has some political influence over them.

Systems are governed by the largest minor faction in that system and whoever they are algned to.
 
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PeachSlices

P
Oh Hi,

The well constructed post by OP should have lead you to tread carefully, they clearly know what they are doing.

To say that "Powerplay has nothing to do with governance" is not true. As you have some influence within your power, I am assuming Hudson by your rather Federally stupid answer, please do not post propoganda like posts without expecting to get called out on it.

Let me explain:

There are situations in powerplay with regard to the background simulation that are to do with governance, it is desirable for Power Players to change governments in order to make the CC output of the control system better or more easy to take over at expansion.

The different type of traffic that takes place in an exploited and a control system have direct implications on players entering and leaving these systems.

TLDR: Ant_Solo seeks to mislead you, as a representative of the Federation, through malice or ignorance.



Further more, Winters players are well known for manipulating player groups and background simulation, if you do not resist it would be to NULL's detriment.

Ant_Solo said:
Powerplay has nothing to do with governance, it is to do with popularity and influence. If your system is or becomes a Winters control system or an exploited one she doesn't goven or rule over you, she is popular with the citizens of that system and has some political influence over them.

Systems are governed by the largest minor faction in that system and whoever they are algned to.
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xondk

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Ant_Solo said:
Powerplay has nothing to do with governance, it is to do with popularity and influence. If your system is or becomes a Winters control system or an exploited one she doesn't goven or rule over you, she is popular with the citizens of that system and has some political influence over them.

Systems are governed by the largest minor faction in that system and whoever they are algned to.
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A topic still being debated last I checked mechanically wise they have no other difference then power play bonus on exploited/controlled system stations, but not on its government type and such.
Some equate it to basically a system being what a state is in US, where the power is congress and similar.
 

Gran Solo

Gran Solo
Well, last I checked, Mahon supposedly* gave an influence bonus to independent factions. Assuming NULL is just that, it makes perfect sense to rather be in Mahon's sphere of influence than in Winters' who supposedly* gives an influence bonus to Federation factions.

*terms and conditions apply
 

dciskey

dciskey
Gran Solo said:
Well, last I checked, Mahon supposedly* gave an influence bonus to independent factions. Assuming NULL is just that, it makes perfect sense to rather be in Mahon's sphere of influence than in Winters' who supposedly* gives an influence bonus to Federation factions.

*terms and conditions apply
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If I wanted my minor faction to do well, I would want it to be in an exploited system of Winters or Aisling, and I would want to be a rank 5 Winters or Aisling pilot so that my positive actions for my faction would count double. These effects are verified to work. But that's just my opinion.
 

Enef

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I suppose you forget the mention the part where a deal was put forward that wouldn't impact your home system was rejected by yourselves? That you created this situation because you were not willing to negotiate at all, we could have settled this peacefully and we tried. You also broke a ceasefire that was put in place and agreed to be all parties.
 

Bigglesof206

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Last time I looked Ant was Hudson, not Winters, so the previous post has me somewhat confused.
As the op makes clear, they recognise that their (NULL's) plans and those of Winters do not coincide, and therefore they are going with Mahon. I don't think Ant was being unduly devious there personally.

There will probably be consequences, that's rather inevitable, but rather less than might have been the case (eg signing up with Patreus probably wouldn't endear you to the fed powers). Good luck playing out your battle for statehood, avoid building places with names like 'Alamo' and 'Rorke's Drift' and similar....

Dave
 

Apos

Apos
dciskey said:
If I wanted my minor faction to do well, I would want it to be in an exploited system of Winters or Aisling, and I would want to be a rank 5 Winters or Aisling pilot so that my positive actions for my faction would count double. These effects are verified to work. But that's just my opinion.
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So you would waste a lot of time maintaining Rating 5, which would be time subtracted from actually helping your faction?

It really doesn't pay off the time investment.
 

dciskey

dciskey
Apos said:
So you would waste a lot of time maintaining Rating 5, which would be time subtracted from actually helping your faction?

It really doesn't pay off the time investment.
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With a proper wing I can do the 5400 merits required in 4-5 hours of undermining. I could even just grind the nearest system instead of actually being helpful. Then I could pocket the 50M or drop palladium for new members of my faction and spend the rest of my time on BGS.

Now, it's probably not worth it if you only have 4-5 hours a week to play, but then again folks with limited time constraints probably aren't interested in instigating prep wars either.

Is it worth it? As someone who has supported MANY minor factions during my four months at Winters I can safely say that it's definitely worth it. :)
 

Apos

Apos
dciskey said:
With a proper wing I can do the 5400 merits required in 4-5 hours of undermining. I could even just grind the nearest system instead of actually being helpful. Then I could pocket the 50M or drop palladium for new members of my faction and spend the rest of my time on BGS.

Now, it's probably not worth it if you only have 4-5 hours a week to play, but then again folks with limited time constraints probably aren't interested in instigating prep wars either.

Is it worth it? As someone who has supported MANY minor factions during my four months at Winters I can safely say that it's definitely worth it. :)
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The thing is, you are supporting Winters as default. It's an added bonus, not a chore to multiply your default goals.

And then there's the whole daily influence cap which we don't know how it interacts with the bonus.
 

dciskey

dciskey
Apos said:
The thing is, you are supporting Winters as default. It's an added bonus, not a chore to multiply your default goals.

And then there's the whole daily influence cap which we don't know how it interacts with the bonus.
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You're right; if I were a minor faction what I would actually do is request the power set aside a target or two for my group to earn its merits. This would help me earn an ally if I ever needed help against another player minor faction. Also, I'd hardly call improving my combat rank and earning 50M in five hours a chore.

The "we" in your second paragraph surely means "the people I know" and not "all players of Elite." :)
 

FrogsFriend

FrogsFriend
I feel the OPs pain. My own home became a Control System for Patreus, resulting in the economy being crippled by his PP effects. I don't blame the Cmdrs involved as they were just playing the game and didn't foresee the consequences, but it did make life very difficult for my faction for a long while.

I'm still hopeful that one day FD will be able to implement the 'Freedom Fighter' mechanism that was discussed at one point. Then we can attempt to rise up and be free again.
Good luck with your plan.
 

dciskey

dciskey
FrogsFriend said:
I feel the OPs pain. My own home became a Control System for Patreus, resulting in the economy being crippled by his PP effects. I don't blame the Cmdrs involved as they were just playing the game and didn't foresee the consequences, but it did make life very difficult for my faction for a long while.

I'm still hopeful that one day FD will be able to implement the 'Freedom Fighter' mechanism that was discussed at one point. Then we can attempt to rise up and be free again.
Good luck with your plan.
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May I ask what system? If it is profitable for him there are definitely powers looking to remove it from his control.

The recent fix to kills of power play ships tanking the controlling faction's influence should've been implemented from the start. With that bug in place being a control system was simply awful.
 
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FrogsFriend

FrogsFriend
dciskey said:
May I ask what system? If it is profitable for him there are definitely powers looking to remove it from his control.

The recent fix to kills of power play ships tanking the controlling faction's influence should've been implemented from the start. With that bug in place being a control system was simply awful.
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It's not particularly profitable for him, but doesn't make a loss. Also it's position isn't really advantageous to Patreus or any other Power. It pretty much became a Control System by an accident of local economics, as it was one end of a high profit/Merit farming route; until it became a Control System and the economy crashed that is.

And to be honest, the last thing I want is for it to become a Power Play battleground. My people would probably suffer terribly in the cross fire. At the moment I'm busy expanding my people to safety, out of the PP bubble.... until we can somehow free our home world without too many casualties in the process.
 
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