We found a "handplaced" star further south than 3 Geminorum (I think)

ORANGEORANGE

ORANGEORANGE
I'm CMDR Orange! (exclamation point part of name) and this is my first post here. I don't really ever use the forums but I am active on Discord. My friend CMDR OblivionKnight and I are in a guild called The Science Fiction Forum and we love to explore cool things. Anyway, we were flying around when we found a "handplaced", aka non procedurally generated, system further south than 3 Geminorum that is easily reachable by an explorer ship (70+ ly range). So we went there and made a first discovery and took some pictures.

Presenting...

HD 35344 - https://www.edsm.net/en/system/id/67415043/name/HD+35344

Compare this to 3 Geminorum - https://www.edsm.net/en/system/id/4932952/name/3+Geminorum

It's a 5 star system composed of 3 B class stars, an A class, and a G class star. It has a single lone Class III gas giant that orbits all the stars (ABCDE 1). We both scanned it. 3 Geminorum has a Z coordinate of -14028, while HD 35344 has a Z coordinate of -14589. It appears this clearly breaks the record it held. It's also easily accessible without a fleet carrier as there is a neutron star nearby. I didn't even need to use any jumponium.

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If you would like to fly here, bring an explorer ship with at least 70 ly of range. My DBX, the Back of Beyond, has an unladen jump range of 80.8 ly, laden of about 75. However OblivionKnight's DBX Flowing Turtle had a laden range of about 72, but he was still able to plot a route. We don't believe it's necessary to use neutron stars in lieu of jumponium as it's more populated than the area around 3 Geminorum, and we certainly proved (by our own experience) that it's reachable without jumpnium. To get there we started at a neutron star in the plane: Aidorn TU-G d10-0, then Aidorn GD-J d9-0, then Aidorn SP-O d6-0, then HD 35344. To leave the area, simply plot a route back to Aidorn SP-O d6-0, and jump those stars in reverse.
 
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ORANGEORANGE

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Diostar50 said:
Congrats! Its rare for records to be broken these days, so this could be the last of the Horizons era records. (y)
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Thank you. Funny enough, there is a neutron star 230 ly away (we used this to get there) that has been discovered by a CMDR in 2017 according to EDSM. It's a wonder how no one else found this first.
 

Orvidius

Orvidius
Nice, it's a difference of a few hundred lightyears:

Code: 
MariaDB [elite]> 
MariaDB [elite]> select name,coord_z,sol_dist from systems where name in ('HD 35344','3 Geminorum');
+-------------+----------+----------+
| name        | coord_z  | sol_dist |
+-------------+----------+----------+
| 3 Geminorum | -14027.5 |    14181 |
| HD 35344    | -14589.5 |  14825.6 |
+-------------+----------+----------+
 

ORANGEORANGE

ORANGEORANGE
[PS4] Filthymick420 said:
This is also my question. @OP, What exactly makes you think it's hand placed? What criteria is being used to make these determinations. I've seen lots of systems with lots of stars and only 1 planet so it is confusing to me how this determination is being made
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It is almost certainly not literally hand placed, but rather it has a non procedural name from the HIP catalog. I used the word because the same wording was used to describe 3 Geminorum, and in fact, the same argument holds that 3 Geminorum was probably not handplaced.

Both 3 Geminorum and HD 35344 have planets that are procedurally generated like other stars as well.

So to be more specific, HD 35344 is a non procedural name system further south than 3 Geminorum.
 

[PS4] Filthymick420

[PS4] Filthymick420
ORANGEORANGE said:
It is almost certainly not literally hand placed, but rather it has a non procedural name from the HIP catalog. I used the word because the same wording was used to describe 3 Geminorum, and in fact, the same argument holds that 3 Geminorum was probably not handplaced.

Both 3 Geminorum and HD 35344 have planets that are procedurally generated like other stars as well.

So to be more specific, HD 35344 is a non procedural name system further south than 3 Geminorum.
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Yea I get that, the word you are looking for is handcrafted, but that doesn't answer my question. What criteria is being used to determine a system is hand crafted or not?

HD, HIP, HIPP, Gliese and so on aren't procedural names because they are star catalogs

List of astronomical catalogues - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org
 

ORANGEORANGE

ORANGEORANGE
[PS4] Filthymick420 said:
Yea I get that, the word you are looking for is handcrafted, but that doesn't answer my question. What criteria is being used to determine a system is hand crafted or not?

HD, HIP, HIPP, Gliese and so on aren't procedural names because they are star catalogs

List of astronomical catalogues - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org
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It is almost certainly not hand crafted, just like probably every other catalog star outside the bubble, and just like 3 Geminorum.

I am saying that it is not procedurally placed. Someone at FDev during the game's development probably had some sort of automated script skimming an HIP catalog and placed these stars into the game, instead of the stellar forge placing it.
 

ORANGEORANGE

ORANGEORANGE
[PS4] Filthymick420 said:
Ok I think I kind of understand. How can I look for other potentially non procedural systems if I were to do this myself
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Glorious HIPs! https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/glorious-hips-3306.549030/

Also I will make a very important clarification.

Yes, the catalog stars are "handplaced" in that someone at FDev probably used a script looking at a catalog to put the stars into the game instead of using the stellar forge.

Yes, probably every catalog star outside the bubble contains a solar system that is procedurally generated using the stellar forge (i.e. using rules based on what the game considers as "realistic".

However, I have reason to believe that the rules that generate the solar systems of catalog stars often supercede the rules that generate the solar systems in procedurally generated stars (Sectorname XX-X x#). Or, perhaps, the game's classification of the catalog stars allow them to generate phenomena that do not typically spawn in certain parts of the galaxy. An example would be if a black hole were allowed to spawn in a catalog star (due to the catalog star's high mass) in a barren part of the galaxy with no or few black holes. I'm currently building some evidence for this using EDSM and hopefully I can write something up on this eventually.
 
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