We had an odd experience in our Private Group last night

Hey all,

Thought I'd share our somewhat odd experiences last night.

A friend and I have just gotten back into the game recently. We've been meeting up in Fong and doing some Res bounty hunting stuff. Basically, we follow the feds around in our mildly tuned Imperial Eagles and do what damage we can. It's been fun and has been getting us back into combat without too much risk thanks to said feds. We've had a few sessions like this so far - just and hour or so usually - and things have gone well.

However, last night things were distinctly glitchy. Firstly, our usually very nimble Imperial Eagles felt like they were flying through treacle much of the time, their turn-rate seemed dire. Secondly, about 50% of the time, we'd be attacking a Wanted NPC only to have them insta-warp up to 3km away all of a sudden. It was quite frustrating to have brought down an NPC's shields and be working on his hull only to have him suddenly out of range. All in all, a very glitchy experience.

From our side, nothing has changed. My internet isn't the best, but it's coped fine before and this is the first session we've had problems. I'd previously been in-game in my Type 7 doing the odd passenger run and had no problems, though I wasn't in any combat.

Throughout the weirdness, my friend and I didn't notice any instances of us warping about or anything, it only ever appeared to be the wanted NPC we were currently targetting. However, he did vanish for a moment mid-fight at one point, then come back. I know he's playing over Wireless, so possibly that's a problem? Not that it had been until this particular session mind.

Anyway, thought I'd share as we've not experienced these two odd issues before. To summarise, the issues were:

1) Our Imperial Eagles were behaving very sluggishly and turning was slow. Straight-line speed seemed fine however.
2) Frequently the Wanted NPC's we were attacking would insta-warp up to 3 km away.

As an aside, we did attack a couple of Imperial Eagles who were wanted, and they too seemed very sluggish where usually they're a little tricky to keep a bead on.

So, the warping issue I can perhaps attribute to some server sync thing. The sluggish Imperial Eagles though has me stumped. The funny thing is, having just switched from my Type 7, the Eagle felt super-twitchy by comparison when I left the dock. Only once in combat did it have issues. It felt like I was trying to turn at zero throttle, yet I was right in the blue.

Scoob.
 
That sounds like you were sharing your instance with a potato computer, maybe somebody that you couldn't see. Was there any other hollow squares present besides you and your pal?
 
That sounds like you were sharing your instance with a potato computer, maybe somebody that you couldn't see. Was there any other hollow squares present besides you and your pal?

They're in "our private group", so I would think it's just the two of them.

I would blame the wireless connection and something else going on in their network.
 
That sounds like you were sharing your instance with a potato computer, maybe somebody that you couldn't see. Was there any other hollow squares present besides you and your pal?

They're in "our private group", so I would think it's just the two of them.

I would blame the wireless connection and something else going on in their network.

Yes, just the two of us, neither on a Potato. My friend has a water-cooled 4690K with 1080Ti and 32gb running on a Vive, I have an older 2600k @ 4.4.ghz and a 1070 and 32gb running on a 1920x1200 monitor.

I too suspect his wireless connection, though it's the exact same connection he had during our prior, non-glitchy, sessions. Still, he mentioned using some power line adaptors instead. Never used them myself, but I guess they're better.

Edit: FYI I'm on a wired Fibre connection - not great Fibre, but better than my old ADSL which we never had issues with - we were both on ADSL when we played last year.

Scoob.
 
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First time with the Powerline adapters?
If that's the only thing changed it might be suspect. Not familiar personally with them myself.
 
Maybe others on a shared connection? Somebody downloading a big file/movies or streaming? Also, depending on how his internet connection goes, you may be sharing bandwidth with neighbors as well.

But what you're seeing is absolutely 100% networking related.
 
First time with the Powerline adapters?
If that's the only thing changed it might be suspect. Not familiar personally with them myself.

That's what we were going to try next time, he was just on his usual WiFi last night. No session this evening so can't report if the power line adaptors made any difference.

Maybe others on a shared connection? Somebody downloading a big file/movies or streaming? Also, depending on how his internet connection goes, you may be sharing bandwidth with neighbors as well.

But what you're seeing is absolutely 100% networking related.

Could well be. He's in a shared house, I have the internet to myself here :) So, I suspect it's all his fault lol.

Scoob.
 
Was it blustery outside?

Lol, maybe, he's 40 miles away.

Recently eh? Didnt FD saying something about reverting/changing their netcode in the last update might be this with a combination of the wireless.

We were last playing at the beginning of last year, but have had a couple of sessions over the past couple of weeks that have been fine. No further updates in that short time-frame I'm aware of.

I'll just put it down to flaky WiFi, it might be as simple as him moving something around to make it less reliable. Will test further when we're next in-game. I just found it odd as it wasn't him who was jumping around my screen, but some of the Wanted NPC's we were fighting. Surely the servers tell the client where the ships are, so why a ship I'd been engaging successfully for a short while would suddenly decide it's supposed to be over 3km away because of my friends poor WiFi I don't know. Then I don't fully understand how ED's server/client setup works.

Scoob.
 
Yes, just the two of us, neither on a Potato. My friend has a water-cooled 4690K with 1080Ti and 32gb running on a Vive, I have an older 2600k @ 4.4.ghz and a 1070 and 32gb running on a 1920x1200 monitor.

I too suspect his wireless connection, though it's the exact same connection he had during our prior, non-glitchy, sessions. Still, he mentioned using some power line adaptors instead. Never used them myself, but I guess they're better.

Edit: FYI I'm on a wired Fibre connection - not great Fibre, but better than my old ADSL which we never had issues with - we were both on ADSL when we played last year.

Scoob.

Its not the computer but indeed the connection. Wireless is notoriously problematic with p2p and you can give network admins a heart attack by mentioning powerline adapters. :p What is most likely is that he is sending data to your pc, but the packets do not arrive in the correct order. As a result ED is basically constantly correcting the incoming data. "The NPC is here, oops no there, hang on its actually right overt there!". Sometimes it'll work, sometimes not. I recommend just pluggin a cable in.
 
Its not the computer but indeed the connection. Wireless is notoriously problematic with p2p and you can give network admins a heart attack by mentioning powerline adapters. :p What is most likely is that he is sending data to your pc, but the packets do not arrive in the correct order. As a result ED is basically constantly correcting the incoming data. "The NPC is here, oops no there, hang on its actually right overt there!". Sometimes it'll work, sometimes not. I recommend just pluggin a cable in.

So, definitely his fault then lol. I think he's quite limited regarding internet due to his PC's location and it's not possible to hard wire to the Router, so Powerline Adaptors did seem a possible option. Never used them myself as I've wired every room from my office with Cat 5e / Cat 6, with a Cat 5 cable from the Master socket to the Router in said Office. So, while my connection isn't the speediest - I live out in the sticks a bit - it's as good as it can be within the house.

Thanks for the explanation though, it's certainly looking like his connection is the route cause of our weirdness. I just wonder what changed since our earlier session that was 100% fine, no weird warping at all.

I still wonder why our Imperial Eagles seemed so sluggish when turning though... I'm back in my Type 7 and it feels quite nimble by comparison lol.

Scoob.
 
First time with the Powerline adapters?
If that's the only thing changed it might be suspect. Not familiar personally with them myself.

Powerline adapters are a decent piece of kit, using your dwellings power cables to transmit your signal. its no different to using a standard cable in terms of speed and reliablity so that is highly unlikeley the issue here ( I have used them for 5 years with no issues gaming at all). I wouild point the finger at the usual culprit, ED itself as its a well known fact that players have had issues with ED when grouping etc from day one.
 
Powerline adapters are a decent piece of kit, using your dwellings power cables to transmit your signal. its no different to using a standard cable in terms of speed and reliablity so that is highly unlikeley the issue here ( I have used them for 5 years with no issues gaming at all). I wouild point the finger at the usual culprit, ED itself as its a well known fact that players have had issues with ED when grouping etc from day one.

Glad to hear you've had good experiences with them, I guess house wiring quality is quite important. Note though that my friend hasn't used them yet, it was just something he was going to try after our glitchy play-session. He was on WiFi during that, so it seems something has made it less reliable vs. our earlier sessions last week.

Note: I know people whose power-line adaptors have only worked between certain rooms in their house due to how the house was wired. I know my friend is staying in what's basically an annex to the main building, so we'll see ho he gets on I guess.

Scoob.
 
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