I was approaching Noriega port in Arare system, and I saw its circular orbit in supetcruise. It wad centered on nothing! So I scanned with my discovery scanner expecting to find a planet oe somwthing in the center, but nothing. I scanned until I git in range to disengage. But there must be something to orbit around! What am I missing?
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Newcomer / Intro what does Noriega port orbit around?
- Thread starter Zeus Cubed
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Lagrange point
Well, I dis not know they thought abiut it but... not realistic. Arare system is made by just a star and an asteroid belt. There cannot be any Lagrange point, since they are they points where a star and one of its planets gravity balance. If there is only the star...
...and the ateroid belt? 
Nonsense. Asteroids have too small masses. And then, however, you don't orbit around a lagrange point, you STAY at it...
I think only L1 (and maybe L2?) is stable and damps oscilation. The others need to be orbited, actually.
Anyway, You are right that this is strange. It may be a simple bug in Stellar Forge servers, or (and that would be my guess) there actually IS something. Something of which gravity is computed, yet it doesn't have an in-game model, yet.
We know there are many such objects present. Like comets, for example. They are there, you can "feel" their gravity if you happen to come close to them, by accident, yet the models and effects aren't implemented, yet.
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You stole my answer.
Huh. I am on xbox, cant make screenshots...
Umm...
From XB1 FAQ:
Capture a screenshot
You can capture a screenshot by saying “Xbox, take a screenshot,” or, if you're using Cortana, "Hey Cortana, take a screenshot." To capture a screenshot with the controller, double-tap the Xbox button , and then press the Y button .
Note The Xbox captures the screenshot when you double-tap the Xbox button . Pressing the Y button saves the image.
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Yaffle
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Odd. My first thought was that it was orbiting the barycentre between two stars (I think that would work, but O Level physics is a long way off now) but there's only one body in the system plus an asteroid belt, which may well place the barycenter inside the star. So that does not work.
It's a recorded system, and really close to Sol, so I'd be amazed if nobody had thought 'huh?' before when going there.
As Chris suggested, a screenshot of the orbit lines may help. If I get a minute I'll go there tomorrow and do one. It's possible it's a rendering error, or that there's an optical illusion of some form, so it's orbiting the star but from an angle appears not to, or it's some other bug. Interesting observation in any event.
It's a recorded system, and really close to Sol, so I'd be amazed if nobody had thought 'huh?' before when going there.
As Chris suggested, a screenshot of the orbit lines may help. If I get a minute I'll go there tomorrow and do one. It's possible it's a rendering error, or that there's an optical illusion of some form, so it's orbiting the star but from an angle appears not to, or it's some other bug. Interesting observation in any event.
Well, I got out from the wormhole at the star, and immediately made for the port. From that point of view, I had the star behind my back in a straight line and I saw the port orbiting a perfect circular orbit, so the orbit plane was perpendicular to the line connecting the star and the center of the orbit...
I'll head there, tonight, myself. I'm in the neighbourhood and this looks interesting.
Maybe there will be some clues in the system map.
Also if I find some reliable reference point, I'm going to take a couple of screens over time to try and find out whether it REALLY orbits around something or just around the star...
Maybe there will be some clues in the system map.
Also if I find some reliable reference point, I'm going to take a couple of screens over time to try and find out whether it REALLY orbits around something or just around the star...
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Like this?
You wrote a good description of my experience.
I even followed the line of ships out to where they turn around and that is all they do. 3000Ls for a USS.
From: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/3jjs24/noriega_port_doesnt_orbit_anything/ discussing Noriega Port:
So seems to be due to asteroid cluster. Read a comment on another thread where it was flagged as an error but response was 'working as intended'.
So seems to be due to asteroid cluster. Read a comment on another thread where it was flagged as an error but response was 'working as intended'.
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There's another system like this up in Alliance space, although I can't remember the name of the system for the life of me. ADSing the system reveals no other body to form a barycentre (@Yaffle - yes, it can. I remember asking about it back in GCSE physics! You can also see it happen playing Angry Birds Space.)
Thank you, the screen shot is exactly what I experienced.
About the Lagrange points, if I recall correctly my space dynamic university course (alas, 20 years have gone by) you can't in any case orbit around them like you orbit around a mass. If you are at the stable one you stay fixed at it, with some slight oscillation around it dampened by the gravity itself. The point is located somewhere between the main and secondary body, and if you assume as fixed the main body, you see the L point travelling around it together with the secondary body (L1 leading, L2 trailing) . So, if you are at L1, you are actually travelling around the maon body. This is actually been thought of by Nasa to locate a base between earth and moon to prepare the launch to Mars, but actually been discarded because of all the debris that a stable L point tends to collect. If you are at L2 (the unstable one) you don't otbit around it either. You freefall on one side ore the other, entering a normal orbit around the main or secobdary body.
About the Lagrange points, if I recall correctly my space dynamic university course (alas, 20 years have gone by) you can't in any case orbit around them like you orbit around a mass. If you are at the stable one you stay fixed at it, with some slight oscillation around it dampened by the gravity itself. The point is located somewhere between the main and secondary body, and if you assume as fixed the main body, you see the L point travelling around it together with the secondary body (L1 leading, L2 trailing) . So, if you are at L1, you are actually travelling around the maon body. This is actually been thought of by Nasa to locate a base between earth and moon to prepare the launch to Mars, but actually been discarded because of all the debris that a stable L point tends to collect. If you are at L2 (the unstable one) you don't otbit around it either. You freefall on one side ore the other, entering a normal orbit around the main or secobdary body.
If you want to stay around an L2, you can, but paying the price of continuous corrections, and it is not a circular orbit. It is a complicated shape similar to a pendulum, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lissajous_orbit
And however a meaningdul L point requires 2 large bodies like sun and earth
And however a meaningdul L point requires 2 large bodies like sun and earth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_orbit
This halo orbit is actually more stable, AFAIK than just trying to stay on point. It still needs to be actively maintained, though. But hey, our stations can rotate along two axes at the same time, so...
And the only naturally stable L points are L4 and L5, where gravitational forces and masses of the two bodies are in the same ratio
But anyway. I checked the system and there's a planet missing. Really small one, but definitely noticeable.
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