What game are we all playing instead of E:D?

Juniper

Juniper
Day off today, so I decided to spin up Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order for a few hours.

Pros:
  1. Good acting. Better acting than any recent SW cinema film.
  2. Interesting story.
  3. Fabulous environments.
  4. Tomb Raider with light sabres.
  5. Captures the 'feel' of Star Wars pretty well... including the incidental music.
Cons:
  1. It's Tomb Raider with light sabres.
  2. NO dialogue choices. The cut scenes are just a movie. In fact, you really feel as though you're just watching a (slightly) interactive movie most of the time.
  3. Crashed a few times for me.
All in all, not a bad game per se, but I'd like to see a proper Star Wars RPG rather than just a platformer.
 

LanceLord

LanceLord
Now eyeballing Evochron Legacy. Has anyone played this to date? EL is a sandbox, RTS Newtonian mechanic space flight sim that focuses on a lone wolf/pilot controlled/survival game play mechanic. As the pilot, you control your reputation, wealth, ranking, and game progression (in solo or multiplayer mode). So it's basically ED with its main buy/trade/combat/exploration loop features (and slightly dated graphics). But seems to have a better capacity for emergent game play. Especially based on a good mix of structured and sandbox features/activities. I'm really baffled why EL hasn't been considered a serious ED competitor, given these similar and additional features. Many of which ED is still missing out on to date as indicated in red:
  • planetary descent and atmospheric flight on earth like worlds:
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  • escorting/protection details
  • espionage/silent running/detection evasion
  • mining
  • PvP & PvE combat (in both civilian and military war zone scenarios)
  • SAR/emergency first response
  • structured mission and sandbox contract objectives
  • develop personal sandbox trade/mining/exploration plans & strategies based on dynamic economic/military/tech/political changes in star sectors
  • weapon crafting
  • HOTAS/keyboard & mouse/console support
  • equipment crafting
  • All bodies such as moons, asteroid fields, asteroid caves, asteroid surfaces, planets are tangible objects which are accessible/can be landed on
  • All astronomical phenomena like nebula, stars, gas giant and planetary atmospheres can be interacted with using Newtonian mechanics. Space craft may take damage based on exposure to phenomena
  • unique contract objectives (meteor interdiction, damaged satellite retrieval from planetary atmosphere, deploying modules etc)
  • direct ship to ship trading/refueling/mission & contract giving in solo and multiplayer
  • custom ship design and hangar storage at custom built shipyards (from FC to small fighter/trader/explorer scale).
  • ability to blueprint customized ship designs for future builds
  • custom built storage of cargo at custom built or existing trade stations
  • detailed space, planetary, and POI exploration
  • full POI space and planet shipwreck exploration/salvage (which is limited to visual flyby & data d/l in ED)
  • racing
  • cleaning solar panels??
  • clearing paths through asteroid fields
  • recruiting NPCs
  • hiring and management of NPC crew members (more detailed than ED)
  • fuel harvesting/refining of raw materials to fuel for sale on commodities market
  • Player can direct ships in their single player fleet in PvE & PvP combat. Player can order single/multiple fleet ships to attack/defend specific or general targets.
  • harvesting resources (big advantage as ED doesn't really specialize in this feature)
  • SE sandbox style building of destructible stations/cities on planetary surfaces or in space. These buildings are multipurpose and can be used for docking, faction/solo HQ, storage, trade commodities hub, manufacturing/crafting ships/goods, etc. (another big advantage over ED)
Since launch, EL has retained solidly positive reviews on Steam and around the web. It appears to have matured very well to date. Definite buy once Steam does their Thanksgiving/Black Friday penny discount sales next week
 
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cpbtrading

cpbtrading
LanceLord said:
Now eyeballing Evochron Legacy. Has anyone played this to date? EL is a sandbox, RTS Newtonian mechanic space flight sim that focuses on a lone wolf/pilot controlled/survival game play mechanic. As the pilot, you control your reputation, wealth, ranking, and game progression (in solo or multiplayer mode). So it's basically ED with its main buy/trade/combat/exploration loop features (and slightly dated graphics). But seems to have a better capacity for emergent game play. Especially based on a good mix of structured and sandbox features/activities. I'm really baffled why EL hasn't been considered a serious ED competitor, given these similar and additional features. Many of which ED is still missing out on to date as indicated in red:
  • planetary descent and atmospheric flight on earth like worlds:
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  • escorting/protection details
  • espionage/silent running/detection evasion
  • mining
  • PvP & PvE combat (in both civilian and military war zone scenarios)
  • SAR/emergency first response
  • structured mission and sandbox contract objectives
  • develop personal sandbox trade/mining/exploration plans & strategies based on dynamic economic/military/tech/political changes in star sectors
  • weapon crafting
  • HOTAS/keyboard & mouse/console support
  • equipment crafting
  • All bodies such as moons, asteroid fields, asteroid caves, asteroid surfaces, planets are tangible objects which are accessible/can be landed on
  • All astronomical phenomena like nebula, stars, gas giant and planetary atmospheres can be interacted with using Newtonian mechanics. Space craft may take damage based on exposure to phenomena
  • unique contract objectives (meteor interdiction, damaged satellite retrieval from planetary atmosphere, deploying modules etc)
  • direct ship to ship trading/refueling/mission & contract giving in solo and multiplayer
  • custom ship design and hangar storage at custom built shipyards (from FC to small fighter/trader/explorer scale).
  • ability to blueprint customized ship designs for future builds
  • custom built storage of cargo at custom built or existing trade stations
  • detailed space, planetary, and POI exploration
  • full POI space and planet shipwreck exploration/salvage (which is limited to visual flyby & data d/l in ED)
  • racing
  • cleaning solar panels??
  • clearing paths through asteroid fields
  • recruiting NPCs
  • hiring and management of NPC crew members (more detailed than ED)
  • fuel harvesting
  • Player can direct ships in their single player fleet in PvE & PvP combat. Player can order single/multiple fleet ships to attack/defend specific or general targets.
  • harvesting resources (big advantage as ED doesn't really specialize in this feature)
  • SE sandbox style building of destructible stations/cities on planetary surfaces or in space. These buildings are multipurpose and can be used for docking, faction/solo HQ, storage, trade commodities hub, manufacturing/crafting ships/goods, etc. (another big advantage over ED)
Since launch, EL has retained solidly positive reviews on Steam and around the web. It appears to have matured very well to date. Definite buy once Steam does their Thanksgiving/Black Friday penny discount sales next week
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It's better at doing ED than FDevs are.. ;)

A very detailed game, not the graphics, they are a touch or two lower, but for gameplay, who cares about graphics..

I loved Merc and have played some Legacy, but I really need to build my own ship now and maintain it. Unfortunately that is one thing these games don't really win at. No legs in Evochron apart from the 'walker', which isn't great. But if you like ED you'll love Evochron in my view.

The Evochron series is a great testament to the one dev that makes them.

Edit: Oh, and if you do buy, make sure to play the tut's.. :)
 

Ezren

Ezren
Still Warframe a bit, when I've got a little time in the mornings. Nothing serious but I have been working toward a few little projects in the game. Updates on the horizon.
 

LanceLord

LanceLord
cpbtrading said:
It's better at doing ED than FDevs are.. ;)

A very detailed game, not the graphics, they are a touch or two lower, but for gameplay, who cares about graphics..

I loved Merc and have played some Legacy, but I really need to build my own ship now and maintain it. Unfortunately that is one thing these games don't really win at. No legs in Evochron apart from the 'walker', which isn't great. But if you like ED you'll love Evochron in my view.

The Evochron series is a great testament to the one dev that makes them.

Edit: Oh, and if you do buy, make sure to play the tut's.. :)
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Yes. It's genuinely mind blowing what ONE single, dedicated and super talented game dev can do.

Now just imagine what they could've accomplished if they had the benefit of four additional years and a $230+million dollar dev budget.

Think SPACE LEGS on steroids and HD quality definition graphics for starters.

I'm willing to bet if the dev could've included those 2 features alone, then EL would've long since attracted a significant herd of new potential fan bois from that-game-which-will-not-be-mentioned-here........ :LOL:
 

LanceLord

LanceLord
^^
Fixed it for ya for free! :love: Cuz customers 1st and that's how we Space Engineers roll. Had too much Klang lubing my system when I uploaded that siggie! :p
--Your friendly, reliable Space Engineer

#SpaceEngineersNerdzRule #DaKlangColaThang
 

Juniper

Juniper
Old Duck said:
As someone who enjoys Tomb Raider, I see this as a selling point! Now if only Lara Croft was wielding the lightsaber ;)

This game is on my wishlist for a future sale (after patches and bug fixes).
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This is why I put it on my pros and cons list.

Some people love this kind of thing. Me, I can take or leave it. I ran out of platform game juice with Jet Set Willy. ;)
 

LanceLord

LanceLord
Old Duck said:
I fired up ED today, only to be disappointed and log out 10 minutes later. This Evochron Legacy, is it multiplayer?
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My dearest Duck,

Yes it is both single and multiplayer. Just like ED and SE.

However, I refuse to answer anymore explicit detail. For the dread fear you'll abandon thy faith in SE. And go off on some heretic sabbatical where you will lose thy digital soul playing Evochron. And in so doing, jeopardize your immortal soul to eternal damnation from SE paradise.

But basically--what I'm trying to tell you is....I've never played Evochron. But it sure does look delicious (barring the outdated graphics and familiar ED like paraplegic state). :p

Think I'm intrigued by EL because it's the same gen game as ED (being launched around the same time or so). And so that gives me hope for the future ED 2020 update. If we don't get space legs feature, then at least something more feasible like
  1. atmospheric planets with POIs (even better with alien fauna you can harvest as raw mat resources for ship improvement or sale on commodities market. Space legs would make this feature so much more immersive than having to use the SRV)
  2. FCs (because I suspect the fan base will likely riot if they pull a Bethesda and cry wolf a 2nd time)
  3. customized station building (both on planets and on orbit). Which might actually give SE some serious competition. As it could keep a lot of Cmnders preoccupied with designing the perfect HQ for their play style and fleet. Would provide good emergent game play to keep ED players engaged for a long time.
Give or take a few more novel and immersive sandbox missions that EL currently allows you to freelance on. More challenging/exotic missions like repairing solar arrays and rescuing de-orbiting satellites from planetary atmospheres. But if FDev could deliver on those 3, then I could actually live without space legs in ED.
 
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Henkka77

Henkka77
Cant wait for Star Citizen 3.8 to launch with at least partial persistence, that will get me back to SC permanently. 😛
While waiting for that i have some Hellion to play, as i started again from the beginning as it really is immersive experience, despite of its bugs and discontinued development.
And i'm only playing that to kill time until Starbase launches, that will be my time sink for 2020 along SC.

Good year coming for space games next year. :)
 

Vasea Azure

Vasea Azure
I jumped in to Command Modern Operations with Tacview - pretty pricey bundle but as a owner of older title got a 50% off the base game. In my opinion totally worth it if you are Command player or in to micromanagement modern military strategy ops.
The -50% discount for previous owners is still a go:
https://www.matrixgames.com/CMANO-CMO-FAQ
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1076160/Command_Modern_Operations/

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C40Yez7iLlc


Worth mention - the base free Tacview you can get on Steam has a 30days trial for the advanced version (that is requied for CMO) so you can see if you need it.
 
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Hank

H
Evochron and its predecessors were my space games of choice before ED. Its an amazing game but a bit dated now which is probably why its not a strong competitor to ED. I played intensely for a couple years. It has the best space flight model of any title imho. The flight model is not pure Newtonian but close (If you like pure Newt, see Pioneer or Lunar Lander, etc etc). Evo has several features and capabilities ED doesn't that would really improve the game.

I still have it on my computer and fire it up occasionally for a change. The developer's screen name is Vice and he is one of the best, most connected and helpful game designers I've ever heard of.
 
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Old Duck

Old Duck
Henkka77 said:
Cant wait for Star Citizen 3.8 to launch with at least partial persistence, that will get me back to SC permanently.
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I've seen some highlights, going to watch CitizenCon video sometime in next couple of days. Does SC have low and medium quality graphics settings for those of us who don't own a quantum computer?
 

LanceLord

LanceLord
Hank said:
Evochron and its predecessors were my space games of choice before ED. Its an amazing game but a bit dated now which is probably why its not a strong competitor to ED. I played intensely for a couple years. It has the best space flight model of any title imho. The flight model is not pure Newtonian but close (If you like pure Newt, see Pioneer or Lunar Lander, etc etc). Evo has several features and capabilities ED doesn't that would really improve the game.

I still have it on my computer and fire it up occasionally for a change. The developer's screen name is Vice and he is one of the best, most connected and helpful game designers I've ever heard of.
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This. Again one can only imagine what miracles that one guy could accomplish if he had a $200M+ budget with full oversight of development. And no, this is not an attempt to troll that-obvious-game-which-will-not-be-named-here. It's just a simple statement of reality where the industry is to date.

But then again, such omnipotence is probably a bad thing. It IS engineers we're talking about. Engineers were designed to be code monkeys who push the tech curve to advance civilization. Giving an engineer managerial/executive/CIO oversight of how project funding is allocated, has always been an unnatural phenomenon (translation: failure) in nature. History has proved this time and time again with Indie devs like Maxis and titles like Yogventures being sad proof of this.
 
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