So today two players decided to attack me through some "nonviolent peace thing" because I responded to a question that is wrong apparently. So naturally I wanted to fight back only the problem is that the power to my home just switched off. Black out. I don't know what is to become of this really. The power came back up and I went back on to see if those players were there but not anymore. What am I supposed to do in a situation like this really? I probably posted this in the wrong place but I just need some help on this matter. I am just lost on what happens though I just hear that people report those who disconnect.
Horizons What happens to players who disconnect suddenly in the middle of an activity?
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if someone reported you for 'combat logging' once, FD would assume it was a random occurrence i.e. PC failure or power outage, and disregard it
however if they received multiple reports from various players all saying that you log out/disconnect in the middle of a fight, then you'd have something to worry about.
Well I guess I have to wait and see then. Thank you for the reply.
Really?
No battery backup protection?
You have more to worry about than FD
More damage is done to a PC from voltage sag rebound than high voltage surges or spikes. A surge protector does nothing to protect against a rebound from a voltage drop, not to mention that not having battery protection causes a sudden shutdown that can compromise system files and corrupt hard drives and so on.
Your not only playing Elite: Dangerous, your also playing Compute: Dangerous.
Good Luck with that
No battery backup protection?
You have more to worry about than FD
More damage is done to a PC from voltage sag rebound than high voltage surges or spikes. A surge protector does nothing to protect against a rebound from a voltage drop, not to mention that not having battery protection causes a sudden shutdown that can compromise system files and corrupt hard drives and so on.
Your not only playing Elite: Dangerous, your also playing Compute: Dangerous.
Good Luck with that
The game crashed on me 4 times yesterday. It probably looks like I was combat logging ... Actually, once it did while I was fighting some pirate NPCs in a RES. I wonder if FD's combat logging enforcers* puzzled why a full-kit warconda logged under attack from 2 sideys and a cobra.
I didn't know that my computer can be damaged from turning off suddenly. o.o
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The first kind of damage is disk file corruption:
All modern operating system use a write buffer which means when you save a file such as word document, it doesn't get saved to the actual disk straight away, it actually gets stored until your operating system (Windows) decides to write it to disk which could be instantly or it could be 1 or 2 minutes later.
Even then, after Windows has written it to disk your disk may also have a write buffer, storing it in it's own memory while it tells Windows it's been stored.
This is all done to improve performance and is generally something you want left on though if your computer is important like a server, you can turn it off.
If the computer loses power during one of these writes, the data being stored by Windows in the buffer is generally lost. If the data being written was something critical it could corrupt your partition, potentially losing all of your data in one go (note NTFS keeps duplicates of it's partition and MFT just for this occasion!). With hard drives, if they use a write buffer, some kinds (such as high end or server RAID devices) come with a small on-board battery backup to prevent loss of data if they lose power.
Another kind of damage that can be caused, is actually physical. Your computer is designed to run on a constant voltage, and your PSU converts that voltage into something your computer can use. If that voltage coming in drops too low, or rises too high, it can damage the PSU. This damage can also be transferred to your motherboard, video card, hard drive and any other device causing damage to them. This could be something simple like tripping a fuse or more serious like burning out a chip. Some people even claim that a UPS can help fix issues like BSOD or crashes that my be caused by unstable utility power supply.
A surge protector can protect against large surges of voltage, but it cannot protect against bad utility power supply or other kinds of power issues such as under voltage, over voltage or frequency instability.
This is why it is recommended for everyone who has a computer to have a Battery backup, also known as an Uninterruptible Power Supply.
l wont go into a discussion here, (there is plenty of information about them on the internet) but generally they operate by detecting a loss of power and then providing power from a built in battery for a short time (depending on battery size). (They can even be used to charge your mobile phone in a pinch!) and you really should have one or two protecting your most sensitive and valuable electronic equipment.
Don't forget to also put your monitor (so you can see), and modem, router or whatever other device you use to connect to the internet on the UPS as well, or you'll lose connection when the power goes out.
All modern operating system use a write buffer which means when you save a file such as word document, it doesn't get saved to the actual disk straight away, it actually gets stored until your operating system (Windows) decides to write it to disk which could be instantly or it could be 1 or 2 minutes later.
Even then, after Windows has written it to disk your disk may also have a write buffer, storing it in it's own memory while it tells Windows it's been stored.
This is all done to improve performance and is generally something you want left on though if your computer is important like a server, you can turn it off.
If the computer loses power during one of these writes, the data being stored by Windows in the buffer is generally lost. If the data being written was something critical it could corrupt your partition, potentially losing all of your data in one go (note NTFS keeps duplicates of it's partition and MFT just for this occasion!). With hard drives, if they use a write buffer, some kinds (such as high end or server RAID devices) come with a small on-board battery backup to prevent loss of data if they lose power.
Another kind of damage that can be caused, is actually physical. Your computer is designed to run on a constant voltage, and your PSU converts that voltage into something your computer can use. If that voltage coming in drops too low, or rises too high, it can damage the PSU. This damage can also be transferred to your motherboard, video card, hard drive and any other device causing damage to them. This could be something simple like tripping a fuse or more serious like burning out a chip. Some people even claim that a UPS can help fix issues like BSOD or crashes that my be caused by unstable utility power supply.
A surge protector can protect against large surges of voltage, but it cannot protect against bad utility power supply or other kinds of power issues such as under voltage, over voltage or frequency instability.
This is why it is recommended for everyone who has a computer to have a Battery backup, also known as an Uninterruptible Power Supply.
l wont go into a discussion here, (there is plenty of information about them on the internet) but generally they operate by detecting a loss of power and then providing power from a built in battery for a short time (depending on battery size). (They can even be used to charge your mobile phone in a pinch!) and you really should have one or two protecting your most sensitive and valuable electronic equipment.
Don't forget to also put your monitor (so you can see), and modem, router or whatever other device you use to connect to the internet on the UPS as well, or you'll lose connection when the power goes out.
After 15 years in IT sys admn and servicedesk kind of jobs i have never encountered damage to a pc that was forcibly, shut down. And is even a way to fix it.
yes it 'could' damage stuff, but so coyld your fridge if you pull the plugg, tv if you do the same, etcetc electronics. Reality vs theory is usually meh, never seen it, im sure i might some day, but thousands of users dozens of companies and probably thousands of pc's. Never encountered it yet.
as for combat logging, not bannable not actionable unless the TOS/EULA says so(i read nowhere stating anything similar even being illegal) If anything, if someone attacks you for no reason ( read my other reply in the other thread about pvpers ) id say go for it, no reason, fine youll do something to them of equal medicine, if the cry about it let them cry those good salty salty tears!
if you combat log in every step just because you can though its still not bannable just becomes stupid, use scummy tactics to make scummy people cry, but dont use it on normal folk
and no, either way you should have nothing to worry about, people did and do it both to scummy and unscummy people people, and have done so since the dawn of Gaming, in mmos its nothing saying you cant, and what happens is your character will remain ingame a few seconds, so you can end up logging into the graveyard/insurance claim page but aside of that, nothing, in ED i couldnt find something about it anyways, maybe in cqc but thats a different game and different genre
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If anyone wondered about the EULA and TOS here it is below, and note that anyone using any third party software along with ED is in example more in danger than someone combat logging everytime they get interdicted, and yes, everyone agrees to the below and yes few people read these things, I guess I'm just odd.
yes it 'could' damage stuff, but so coyld your fridge if you pull the plugg, tv if you do the same, etcetc electronics. Reality vs theory is usually meh, never seen it, im sure i might some day, but thousands of users dozens of companies and probably thousands of pc's. Never encountered it yet.
as for combat logging, not bannable not actionable unless the TOS/EULA says so(i read nowhere stating anything similar even being illegal) If anything, if someone attacks you for no reason ( read my other reply in the other thread about pvpers ) id say go for it, no reason, fine youll do something to them of equal medicine, if the cry about it let them cry those good salty salty tears!
if you combat log in every step just because you can though its still not bannable just becomes stupid, use scummy tactics to make scummy people cry, but dont use it on normal folk
and no, either way you should have nothing to worry about, people did and do it both to scummy and unscummy people people, and have done so since the dawn of Gaming, in mmos its nothing saying you cant, and what happens is your character will remain ingame a few seconds, so you can end up logging into the graveyard/insurance claim page
but aside of that, nothing, in ED i couldnt find something about it anyways, maybe in cqc but thats a different game and different genreEdit:
If anyone wondered about the EULA and TOS here it is below, and note that anyone using any third party software along with ED is in example more in danger than someone combat logging everytime they get interdicted, and yes, everyone agrees to the below and yes few people read these things, I guess I'm just odd.
EULA & Terms of USE said:
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That's probably because the majority of filesystems you encountered had some kind of journaling or write barrier intended to help rollback and repair exactly the kind of corruption that a lost write causes.
You are right, it is extremely rare, and the kind of corruption it causes is more akin to what you would get if you yank out a USB thumb drive while trying to save your word document to it.
Take into account that most writes happen on the order of milliseconds, so the power would have fail at just the right time so the chances of failing right in the middle of a critical series of write commands on an unjournaled filesystem is very rare..
Regardless of the issue of data corruption or power "cleanliness", I still maintain it is good practice use a UPS on your PC and communications device so you don't get disconnected during a blackout/brownout while in the middle of a dogfight.
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QUOTE: "if they cry about it let them cry those good salty salty tears!"
Actual LOL
Actual LOL
That's how I get my stupid, fat-rumped ship off the landing pad when it gets stuck.
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Logging out during combat is not a punishable offence by Frontier. And sadly neither is griefing, the most common human cause of combat logging.
Quitting the game during combat has a 15 second cool-down timer, but network failure, game crashes, power-cuts, the billion things that go wrong with Windows - all of which are outside the player's control, Frontier would not punish anyone for disconnecting, no matter how many times they did it. Ironically, I've been disconnected from the game (while in station) as I type this.
Between last November and earlier this month, I was affected by a bug in the game that falls foul of MTU sizes on some routers, which meant I was disconnected about once an hour. I don't think it happened during combat, as I was mostly trading, but it could have and I wouldn't expect to be punished for that.
Unless there is an in-game punishment mechanic for griefing (i.e. killing someone who is not in an opposing PowerPlay faction, wanted, or refusing to hand over cargo) then there cannot be a similar penalty for deliberately quitting the game during combat (such as a three-strikes-and-your-destroyed rule). There must be balance to the force!
Until then we will just have to put up with griefers and acknowledge that some players combat log to avoid losing their ship.
Yeah... no. Frontier have stated that combat logging can be punished. Whether or not they have actually done so is another matter.
Also, it's entirely possible the MTBF of a consumer-grade UPS is worse than that of the municipal electricity supply, depending on where you live. I wouldn't fret over all the scary-looking stuff upthread.
