Don't think that'll help much.. the risk of getting caught logging should be much much worse than the ''reward'' of logging.
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What happens when you report a logger?
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Don't think that'll help much.. the risk of getting caught logging should be much much worse than the ''reward'' of logging.
Except, unless you are talking 360, you met people exploiting a glitch. NOT hackers. Didnt you yourself exploit robigo/sothis to reach elite? Pretty sure ya did. And even if this was a god mode in ED, no one is using it to harm another player.
But my moral high horse point seems lost on you. Aparently i need to elaborate.
It's not technically about morality. It is about using technicalities and rules as an excuse to act like an (insert expletive here)
My point being...........for someone who claims to hold the rules in such high regard, when someone breaks a tiny, harlmess rule, you respond with the nuclear option of rule-breaking.
Are you just not understanding? Didn't anyone ever teach you two wrongs don't make a right? And "frontier says" doesnt absolve you of any wrong doing. Because that seems to be your go to
I really really understand that you think YOU are the victim here. But can you please take amoment to try and understand why YOU are the harasser and the combat logger is the victim.
I'm not excusing logging. But for a moment take the time to look at it from their perspective.
Most of the time.....You are peacefully traveling along doing missions or Trading. For no reason, someone attacks you. Maybe you have to go to work and don't have time for this. Maybe you have somewhere else to be, maybe you need to take your dog out or maybe you just don't want to lose hours or days worth of progress. For whatever reason, you make the choice to dashboard.
What follows is your attacker reporting YOU. Now you are getting reported by multiple players? Then, Getting harrassed by your attacker and possibly penalized by Xbox all for not wanting to fight? Because let's face it, the person attacking you is just out to harass you. And if you take away their ability to do it in the game, they'll just do it with the Xbox menu. Because that's what they're REALLY after.
Spite is what you want. You want them punished. You you want them penalized. Its not about the community, it's not about the Integrity of the game. It's about your satisfaction.
In contrast, all i want, is for you to UNDERDTAND. Understand that YOU are the bad guy. YOU are the problem in this scenario. I'm NOT asking you to change anything. Be the best darn bad guy you can be. Be the biggest problem you can be. But quit pretending that you are the good guy. Quit pretending that you are the victim
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Although I fully understand Error's frustration... plus I've watched many, many examples of logging from his activity feed, you certainly carry some good counterpoints in your reply...
Just in case you weren't aware, he plays a role playing Pirate in game, a quite reasonable one (having been pirated by him a long time ago). I can safely say that a good 90% of his intended RP 'victims' now combat log whilst ignoring comms from him. I should add that this is a fairly recent development as during GPP and early in the full release, logging wasn't anything apart from an occasional occurence.
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Conversely, people using an "undesirable exploit", that is set to carry a punishment one day, is rendering Error's chosen gameplay activity completely redundant.
More to the point, if someone was so desperate to not be attacked by another player, why werent they in solo?
It does indeed go both ways, but IMO if you play a game with other people, you (not you personally btw, figure of speech) need to be considerate. Its one thing when you are on your own, its another when your actions directly impact another player who is playing within the set boundaries of the game.
Whether or not people like piracy, its part of the game. This is like saying you want to play FPS but dont want anyone shooting at you and switching your game off if anyone should have the gall to do so.
I understand you're trying to say that 2 wrongs don't make a right but while I don't think it's a pretty solution I don't see it as a wrong doing. It feels a little dirty but then again it was pretty much forced to go that way. I'm not acting like a (insert expletive here) I'm trying to make people stop using an exploit, cheating. Also where am I breaking the rules? I thought it was established I wasn't really breaking any rules? If I am please do show me.
Yes, you make the choice to break the rules. So what's wrong with facing punishment there? I'm not harrasing anyone nor telling anyone to do so at all just maybe tell them to report the guy.
You're saying I'm doing this just to harass? You might aswell say that I killed a guy in GTA or in CoD is harrasment.
I am the bad guy, I am a thief and a murderer but that's where it ends, in-game. Combat logging like hacking is outside the game per se, and punishing piracy through cheating? Huh, what was that about 2 evils don't make a right?
What you are trying to is to excuse combat logging, no amount of ''I'm not trying to excuse combat logging'' changes that.
And you're seriously ok with people turning on God mode and playing like that? I think you are in the minority here buddy.
This is a bit of a mess.. had to go away from it halfway through.
Maybe I should start again in a TL;DR.
I am the victim of cheating. They are the victim of in-game robbery possibly murder. I don't belive I am doing anything wrong by reporting them and showing some of my friends the video and asking some of them to do the same. You're ok with turning God mode on I am not. You're excusing combat logging by saying I'm the bad guy in the game. Hope that about covers it.
Maybe you don't want to fight or can't afford to, maybe you don't have time for a battle due to whatever reason - but simply give the pirate some of your cargo and viola! none of these supposed problems need to come about.
Pretty much any serious pirate who knows what they're doing *will not shoot a complying trader to death*. It's a bad & stupid practice - if you blow them apart after complying they've no reason to do so the next time you encounter them.
You wouldn't ever get the same courtesy from an npc - so if you think cmdr pirates are griefings then ok, so are all the npcs. Which would be a daft thing to say, no?
tldr there's still no excuse for logging here.
Seems like it's something on your end though. Haven't heard of anybody else having these bad crashes.
Are you kidding me? How many times have you been in a wing and they randomly vanish and come back to say they buzz crashed or disconnected.
It's especially worse in CG zones. I remember the long hauls in LHS 3447 being very bad for this back when we needed to deliver metals for Bluford orbital.
Well I've had one recently but that's just about it I think.
Come to the CG in Nespeleve, because I had about 3 last night.
Will have a look.
In the words of the magic conch: ....Nothing.
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Good man and be a hero and join me and my insane solo war against all the scum thinking they own the Galaxy. Of course, they attacked first but my zeal can't tolerate their audacity. Hahaha.
My worst enemy is the bugs, crashes and Asteroids that think it's wise to headbutt my canopy! But when wings of 3 or 4 attack me minding my business then it puts them top of the list.
Yeah. It covers it. Im talking to a brick wall who cant grasp the concept of empathy.
Just 1 question. If you already have enough money to own a cutter, what reason do you have for pirating humans? Because it's certainly not the money. So that must mean.......
No it feels dirty because it's an out of the way kinda thing to do to get the rules enforced. If I was forcing my friends to have the same opinion as I and report them then it would be wrong. Showing my friends the evidence and asking them if they will report ain't bad in my book.
Choice yes but if there aren't other effective solutions the choice is swayed at the very least.
I can't find whatever you're talking about. Looked on my Xbox and looked on Google, all I found was these Xbox ToS. http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/Legal/XboxComTOU?xr=footnav
Wrong wording, asking them if they could report the guy, not telling them to. I don't see how that can be taken as harrassment. Is reporting a murderer harrassing the murderer?
I'm not sure what you mean by that? I'm not the one that took it out of the game. Out of the game rule breaking requires out of the game fixing.
Yes logging is outside of the game or not part of it. Simple as that.
I assume you didn't chose those words too carefully? Reporting at all? Or showing my friends some evidence and if they report that's up to them?
So what if nobody is attacking eachother with god mode? Again lets take any other game where there is PvP. If I were to use god mode and see there is someone trying to shoot or stab me and I kill them, is that ok then? Whether you attack or don't while you have god mode on is irrelevant. And yes from what you've said you seem to be ok with turning on god mode as long as you don't attack.
How is it harrassment? I leave my friends to judge for themselfs and ask only not tell or force. Would all the recordings on my YT of loggers also be harrassment if people who saw them chose to report the logger?
If I have enough money to own a Cutter that must mean there is no point to play the game at all right? Because why would that only include pirating players. If I own a Cutter why would I play the game at all? Well that's up to you to figure out. You don't even need me to have a Cutter you can simply say if piracy is so unprofitable why do it?
I do it because I find it fun to be the pirate in this particular game. It has some reward to it even if I am not making money to it I guess it's a brain chemistry thing. Also should add that my Cutter is far from A rated.
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YES! IT IS! OMG OMG breakthroug. Its the same reason you dont pirate NPCs! The same reason you report people! I think we have made amazing progress here today. Thank you. You made me smile
As for everything else, it is taking too much time and effort to address each and every way you twist my words. So lemme just drop the underlying points.
1) I dont advocate "god mode" (no such mode even exists). YOU made this up as an analogy for logging and ran with it. And kept running with it for some reason?
2) I DO advocate reporting HACKERS and Players with MALICIOUS INTENT
3) Since you love hiding behind the rules
Section 1.9. Harrassment: by the BROADEST LEGAL DEFINITION.
Microsoft has the legal right decide spreading videos with the INTENT of getting NON INVOLVED players to file reports qualifies as harassment. But i am not much for speculation. To that end i will attempt to clarify this point with microsoft within the next few days.
It MAY also qualify as a violation of paragraph 2 citing "Overburdon of the system" but that would require a much broader interpretation of the language. Fortunately, because of the "Broadest Legal Definition Clause" written into the ToS they have the right to make that choice. Again, i will simply ask for clarification. But im far less interested in their response to this
For now ima step back from this one. I hope you can take the time to reflect on our breakthrough. Im gonna try to get some sleep. I have been up for over 36 hrs.
Im sure this is far from the last time we will find ourselves having this discussion. So........see you then. Hopefully with some concrete answers for ya