Powerplay WHat is so different?

The Alliance purports to be an alternative to agression and interference from federal and imperial domination, but ultimately, I see no real difference.

It is funded through the same donations and economic structure of excise trade between systems, engaged in the same enfrcement and coercion techniques with assassinations and intelligence missions and ultimately, simply a 3rd party which offers nothing that is not already attributed under to the big two.

Therefore, rather than fuelling any alternative or difference from the problems it suggests are apparent under the federation and/or empire, instead, the Alliance is merely adding to the problem by creating a 3rd such mega-power and removing the opportunities and independeance for those who vie to remain outside the machinations of all such
 
I hate to break it to you, but this has nothing to do with PowerPlay.

That being said, the mission system is to blame - the only differences in missions offered by factions of any allegiance (including independent) is that navy rank missions are only available to the Empire and Federation.
 
The Alliance purports to be an alternative to agression and interference from federal and imperial domination, but ultimately, I see no real difference.

It is funded through the same donations and economic structure of excise trade between systems, engaged in the same enfrcement and coercion techniques with assassinations and intelligence missions and ultimately, simply a 3rd party which offers nothing that is not already attributed under to the big two.

Therefore, rather than fuelling any alternative or difference from the problems it suggests are apparent under the federation and/or empire, instead, the Alliance is merely adding to the problem by creating a 3rd such mega-power and removing the opportunities and independeance for those who vie to remain outside the machinations of all such

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Bro, it's even WORSE with the coercion with those folks BECAUSE they can't, don't, or have the desire to fight directly. That said, there does need to be a place for these types of players to have another aspect of gameplay. I'm not a fan of the level of reward and importance this coercion plays in Elite Dangerous but that is a matter addressed in another thread.
 
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Bro, it's even WORSE with those folks BECAUSE they can't, don't, or have the desire to fight directly.

Sorry whut?
Game has a couple of aspects - There's the knuckle draggers punching on in the back bar, and there's some folks playing chess upstairs.
PvP has such a tiny effect on the BGS that it's kinda pointless to engage in it, except as skill building.

Alliance CMDRs are everywhere in open.
Currently I am helping liberate a fairly toxic Fed system and it's FULL of hollow squares. I've seen a couple of outsiders, but mostly it's "o7 Comrade" and "Tally Ho".

Your notion that we are not "fighting directly" is horse manure.
You just don't have the wit or resources to figure out what we are up to until we're finished.

Are the Alliance "cowards" because you can't find us to kill?
What's your timezone?
I'm UTC +9:30 - Do I have to get up at 5:30 AM so that we can meet?
Does it have to be shieldless unmodified sidewinders so that it's a contest of equals?
Or do you need me to be in the T-9 and you can have the engineered FDL?

Do you think if you cost me a rebuy or twelve that we would fail to liberate this system?

Your flags will burn on GalNet again!
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As for OP:
The Alliance purports to be an alternative to agression and interference from federal and imperial domination, but ultimately, I see no real difference.

The Alliance is an outgrowth of the Federation. Alioth and other systems of the Caker Rebellions were colonised by the Federation, but often governed or occupied by the Empire. The people of Alioth suffered genetic experimention under the Imperials, and exploitation and corruption under the Feds. (source: Alioth tourist beacons).

Your freedom to choose your pledge, and your inability to see difference are your privelige. "Blaze your own trail" means you are shielded from being part of of the political landscape. You will not see difference until you make a choice and stick to it.



It is funded through the same donations and economic structure of excise trade between systems, engaged in the same enfrcement and coercion techniques with assassinations and intelligence missions and ultimately, simply a 3rd party which offers nothing that is not already attributed under to the big two.

Vectron has dealt with this, but worth reiterating that the lack of difference in missions is not due to "The Alliance being the same" it's due to Frontier's insistence that "Choice should not have consequence"
By this I mean that everyone has the opportunity to do the same things, no one misses out on content. So they will not prevent you from being both King and Rear Admiral. Supporting one team does not mean that you miss out on assassination missions.



Therefore, rather than fuelling any alternative or difference from the problems it suggests are apparent under the federation and/or empire, instead, the Alliance is merely adding to the problem by creating a 3rd such mega-power and removing the opportunities and independeance for those who vie to remain outside the machinations of all such

That's a valid point.
But again - it is our privelige as free CMDRs to choose who we support.
Choosing to remain "outside of politics" requires wealth and economic stability, which requires certain types of governance. Which requires engagement with politics. The view that "There is no difference among the political parties" is a privileged view usually favoured by conservatives. Seeing difference and agitating for change is part of the progressive (or even revolutionary) viewpoint.


Outside of PowerPlay, The Alliance governs not even a tenth of the systems that the Imperials and the Feds govern. We are not a "third power on equal footing" we are just the biggest grouping of Independent Systems. We might have grown by 250%, but at the current rate of system flipping, it would take 30 years to catch up to the Federation. Our dominance of PowerPlay and our growth in system governance is due to the organisation and dedication of our CMDRs. And therein lies the real difference.
 
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Sorry whut?
Game has a couple of aspects - There's the knuckle draggers punching on in the back bar, and there's some folks playing chess upstairs.
PvP has such a tiny effect on the BGS that it's kinda pointless to engage in it, except as skill building.

Alliance CMDRs are everywhere in open.
Currently I am helping liberate a fairly toxic Fed system and it's FULL of hollow squares. I've seen a couple of outsiders, but mostly it's "o7 Comrade" and "Tally Ho".

Your notion that we are not "fighting directly" is horse manure.
You just don't have the wit or resources to figure out what we are up to until we're finished.

Are the Alliance "cowards" because you can't find us to kill?
What's your timezone?
I'm UTC +9:30 - Do I have to get up at 5:30 AM so that we can meet?
Does it have to be shieldless unmodified sidewinders so that it's a contest of equals?
Or do you need me to be in the T-9 and you can have the engineered FDL?

Do you think if you cost me a rebuy or twelve that we would fail to liberate this system?

Your flags will burn on GalNet again!
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Lol. I'm sorry but it's hard to understand you with all that poo coming out your mouth. Who are you trying to kid bro? EVERYBODY knows that the Mahon folks are nowhere to be found or DISPLAY that they are with Edmund Mahon in Open play. That may work on someone that's been playing this game for a few weeks, not someone who's got years invested. ;-)

Now, I'm in San Francisco right now on a gig with a dance music producer with a trip to England next week so my available time for this game is varied. I've been on these forums a lot today because I was waiting for my ride to the studio. I'm only replying to this thread now because I read it in my email while in route. If your really looking for a fight, just fly anywhere in Mahon space where you think there a players working against Mahon's efforts. Chances are, it's us. You folks have been such jerks here on the forums lately that it ramped up recruitment and we both know the Imperials aren't bothering Mahon. ;-)

Play the game and don't forget it's a game.
 
EVERYBODY knows that the Mahon folks are nowhere to be found or DISPLAY that they are with Edmund Mahon in Open play.

And EVERYBODY knows that you're a troll. Common knowledge does mean it's a fact, and so far FDev has refused to divulge numbers on open vs private in any way, shape or form. You and probably everyone else who makes this claim, forgets that Mahon space is huge. It's 1,536 systems controlled and exploited by Mahon as well as 121 systems contested with other powers. And even though it's huge, if you're looking to make money from, say, trading, Mahon space is the wrong place to do it - even with our 20% profit increase, so now you need to look in the other 7,000 or so exploited systems in the galaxy.

Do all Mahon pledges and Alliance commanders fly in open? No, of course not. I'd expect the distribution for us to be the same as it is for everyone else - unknown. But I'd love to see what the actual distribution is, both in general and for each power.
 
Do all Mahon pledges and Alliance commanders fly in open? No, of course not.

And why should they? It's not that solo players are somehow inferior or something ... That he expects other players to play in open (= to play the way he wants them to play their game) is just more evidence that he is a troll.
 

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Do all Mahon pledges and Alliance commanders fly in open? No, of course not. I'd expect the distribution for us to be the same as it is for everyone else - unknown. But I'd love to see what the actual distribution is, both in general and for each power.

I'm pledged to Mahon. I only play in open. I even have the Mahon name plates on my ship.
 
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And EVERYBODY knows that you're a troll. Common knowledge does mean it's a fact, and so far FDev has refused to divulge numbers on open vs private in any way, shape or form. You and probably everyone else who makes this claim, forgets that Mahon space is huge. It's 1,536 systems controlled and exploited by Mahon as well as 121 systems contested with other powers. And even though it's huge, if you're looking to make money from, say, trading, Mahon space is the wrong place to do it - even with our 20% profit increase, so now you need to look in the other 7,000 or so exploited systems in the galaxy.

Do all Mahon pledges and Alliance commanders fly in open? No, of course not. I'd expect the distribution for us to be the same as it is for everyone else - unknown. But I'd love to see what the actual distribution is, both in general and for each power.

I'm only a "Troll" to "Mahon" players.

Thank you for increasing recruitment. Much appreciated!
 
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That he expects other players to play in open (= to play the way he wants them to play their game) is just more evidence that he is a troll.

Exhibit A

I'd like to point out that I NEVER said that or implied that. Please make note of HIS interpretation and of what power this person is displaying their pledge to and who this person consistently "backs-up" on these forums.

Thank You.
 
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I'm only a "Troll" to "Mahon" players.

Thank you for increasing recruitment. Much appreciated!


Recruitment?
LOL.

Where should folks go that want to join your cause?
Do you have a homeworld?
Do you have a thread in the groups sub-forum?
Do you have an INARA page?
A Reddit?
A link off your sig?
A Facebook group?
Discord?
Anything?

Or should they just go holler on the Ableton forums looking for someone starting pointless arguments about gain structure?
 
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Recruitment?
LOL.

Where should folks go that want to join your cause?
Do you have a homeworld?
Do you have a thread in the groups sub-forum?
Do you have an INARA page?
A Reddit?
A link off your sig?
A Facebook group?
Discord?
Anything?

Or should they just go holler on the Ableton forums looking for someone starting pointless arguments about gain structure?

Lol. Wouldn't you like to know!? And thanks again. ;-)
 
Nothing you can see or be aware of.
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At this rate I'm going to run out of things for these players to do.

Indeed.


It's not like there's anything much that any of the Alliance groups are doing right now.



[video=vimeo;227542744]https://vimeo.com/227542744[/video]
 
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