What is your reason for only including HDR only on XBOX ONE X?

Nikorasu95

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There is not mention of HDR on PC or on PS4 PRO as mentioned on this website https://wccftech.com/jurassic-world-evolution-4k-hdr-xb1x/
Is this a agreement between Microsoft and Frontier Developments? Because if it is it should be illegal and should be against the Federal Trade Commission and European Commission. There is no reason PC and PS4 PRO shouldn't have HDR unless the above is true. The is little support for HDR on PC as shown here https://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Speci...Feature-2Fintro/outrotemplate=Feature-2Foutro

Rise of Tomb Raider, Sea of Theives, NBA 2K17, Recore, Warframe, World of Tanks, Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Wildlands, Black Desert Online, Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare, Dead Rising 4, Forza Horizon 3, Gears of War 4, Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice, L.A. Noire, Mafia III, Minecraft, No Man's Sky, PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS, ReCore, Snake Pass, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt all have HDR on XBOX ONE X but not PC. This is a high tail sign that Microsoft paid these developers to only include HDR on XBOX. If I'm wrong than give me a other explanation, because I and a few other people will be contacting FTC to see what there say is in all of this. Nivida was already busted with GPP, don't like this sort of thing happen with Microsoft.
 

gingeyphillips

gingeyphillips
Flash525 said:
I'm going to be the noob here, but HDR?
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HDR is Higher Dynamic Range, basically makes colours more distinctive in games if you have a 4K TV (e.g.: brighter whites, darker blacks, vivid luminescence).

I'd imagine the answer would be graphical issues appearing on the PS4 and PC (PC's especially being known for having massive issues with HDR that's partly due to monitor hardware variances). As the Xbox One X auto-detects HDR compatibility when connected to a 4K TV I'd imagine it's very well optimized to run 4K. Not saying PC and PS4 aren't, but there's more leg work involved with getting HDR to work on these other machines, so that might be the reason why it's available on Xbox One but not the others.

I honestly doubt Microsoft would go out of their way to pay anybody to not include HDR on other platforms (PC being one, of which Microsoft is a major player in I might add) because as you said it's illegal, and as Frontier and Microsoft are in the spotlight that would be a very easy thing to find out.
 

gingeyphillips

gingeyphillips
StarLightPL said:
Just a small correction, 4k has nothing to do with HDR. It's just that only fairly recent TVs have 4k and HDR.
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That's pretty silly of me I never knew that lol. :p I guess I just assumed it was to do with it being 4k because I've only ever seen 4k TV's and monitors with HDR and nothing lower res than that. So can you get Full HD monitors with HDR at all?
 

WR3ND

WR3ND
For "HDR" displays, is that like a post possessing effect handled by the TV? HDR for games has traditionally been rendered on the computer side of things for many years now. Maybe it's that the XBox is just HDR compatible as it's applied to these TVs. If that's the case, then it isn't really much of a difference on Frontier's side of things.

If memory serves, I think even the original Oblivion had an HDR graphics option on PC back in 2006, well over a decade ago.
 
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stormyuk

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stormyuk
WR3ND said:
For "HDR" displays, is that like a post possessing effect handled by the TV? HDR for games has traditionally been rendered on the computer side of things for many years now. Maybe it's that the XBox is just HDR compatible as it's applied to these TVs. If that's the case, then it isn't really much of a difference on Frontier's side of things.
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No HDR, High Dynamic Range needs to be supported by both the graphics hardware and output hardware as well as the display.

Nikorasu95 said:
There is not mention of HDR on PC or on PS4 PRO as mentioned on this website https://wccftech.com/jurassic-world-evolution-4k-hdr-xb1x/
Is this a agreement between Microsoft and Frontier Developments? Because if it is it should be illegal and should be against the Federal Trade Commission and European Commission. There is no reason PC and PS4 PRO shouldn't have HDR unless the above is true.
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This is covered in the FAQ at least for PS4, HDR is supported on the PS4 Pro, we are just not sure at what resolution the game will be.

https://support.frontier.co.uk/kb/faq.php?id=428

Will the game utilise PS4 Pro’s power/features?

Jurassic World Evolution™ will be enhanced by PS4™Pro and will support HDR.
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WR3ND

WR3ND
stormyuk said:
No HDR, High Dynamic Range needs to be supported by both the graphics hardware and output hardware as well as the display.

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Not traditionally. To get the most from it, you'd obviously want a display with a capable dynamic range as well, but as a post processing effect, it doesn't really matter.

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In this context though, it seems to apply to being HDR TV ready, or some such. For Frontier, this would basically be: Yes, we have a lot of colors and varying levels of brightness in our game. :D

Actually, it may be a bit of a pallet swap to apply to these TVs, which would be a shame instead of just having native high dynamic range and capable displays. If that's the case, it isn't specifically HDR (though it may be that as well), it's "HDR," a compatibility, not a capability.
 
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VR StarLightPL

VR StarLightPL
gingeyphillips said:
*adds to shopping list* Haha thanks, I've been needing to get a new monitor a while, I might look around for a 2k HDR one now I know they're somewhat affordable.
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If I may suggest something, ensure that your new monitor has >60Hz refresh rate (eg. 120Hz or 144Hz). The difference in responsivity is massive, although some people can't see it and some people don't like it. Advise to try before you buy. I've an OLED 4k TV which is capable of pulling off 120Hz, and for me 60Hz feels "choppy" now ;-) Also, depending on hardware, you might want to get AMD's freesync or NVidia G-sync compatible monitor, though these are more expensive.
 

stormyuk

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stormyuk
WR3ND said:
Not traditionally. To get the most from it, you'd obviously want a display with a capable dynamic range as well, but as a post processing effect, it doesn't really matter.
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Is this why lots of people cry foul about HDR and say "Its rubbish, the picture looks really dark and washed out on my TV/monitor!" :)

WR3ND said:
In this context though, it seems to apply to being HDR TV ready, or some such. For Frontier, this would basically be: Yes, we have a lot of colors and varying levels of brightness in our game. :D
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I seriously doubt that, you can bet your bottom dollar that Digital Foundry will be doing an analysis and if the HDR promise turns out the be SDR then they will expose it. I honestly believe that FDev will be supporting HDR properly at least with the consoles. :)
 
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gingeyphillips

gingeyphillips
StarLightPL said:
If I may suggest something, ensure that your new monitor has >60Hz refresh rate (eg. 120Hz or 144Hz). The difference in responsivity is massive, although some people can't see it and some people don't like it. Advise to try before you buy. I've an OLED 4k TV which is capable of pulling off 120Hz, and for me 60Hz feels "choppy" now ;-) Also, depending on hardware, you might want to get AMD's freesync or NVidia G-sync compatible monitor, though these are more expensive.
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For me it's 144hz or the highway hahaha. I recently decided to build a new PC and the last thing I need now is at least a 2k monitor with a 144hz refresh rate and G-Sync, though I may settle for Free Sync should I not find one I can afford with G-Sync.

I've been stuck at 60hz Full HD for too long! Using a 1080ti for gaming at this resolution is just wasted talent lol.
 

Lora Craft69

Lora Craft69
gingeyphillips said:
For me it's 144hz or the highway hahaha. I recently decided to build a new PC and the last thing I need now is at least a 2k monitor with a 144hz refresh rate and G-Sync, though I may settle for Free Sync should I not find one I can afford with G-Sync.

I've been stuck at 60hz Full HD for too long! Using a 1080ti for gaming at this resolution is just wasted talent lol.
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I don't want anything lower than144hz anymore.
 

stormyuk

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stormyuk
WR3ND said:
The more I think of it, I suspect it is HDR, but done in a way to limit compatibility to get consumers to buy more new hardware. :(
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Yeh, I am not there is any sort of conspiracy going on, its like any 'standard' and there are many when it comes to HDR (HDR10, HDR10+, Dolby Vision, HLG etc). It is difficult for consumers to keep up. My TV from 2017 is a very good HDR panel but it doesn't support all the standards. It supports the ones I need (for Amazon, Netflix, the PS4 etc all support HDR10) but, it will I have no doubt it will keep evolving. The PS4 only supports HDR10 which is probably the most common variant anyway, and it appears Xbox is the same. So Hopefully its not a difficult job for FDev on JWE. Would be nice to see some of this tech make it back to Elite Dangerous too.
 
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WR3ND

WR3ND
I'm fine with 1080p, honestly. I even use a resolution of 768p for my desktop so I can read things without having scaling issues in Windows. For that reason, I wouldn't mind having a larger TV. But yeah, 120Hz+ is nice even though I'm still generally settling for 60Hz.

I sit a good, oh, nine and a half feet away from my display though.

Cheers.
 
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YKDS

YKDS
I honestly can't wait to see them 4K dino's with HDR on my Xbox one X, got my Sasmsung KS9000 just waiting for launch day :)-

If it's not HDR on PS4 Pro then it's not a big surprise, that thing struggles to play most of it's games at 1440p let alone pushing HDR & it's 'Dynamic' 4K. I'm sure I read it's on HDR on PC tho?
 
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