what just happened to me ?!

ragingspeed · Mar 10, 2018

Good Day Guys,

I'm a relatively a new to Elite Dangerous, been playing maybe for a couple of months but I feel I am doing quite well and feel good progress, starting with Sidewinder, moved to Diamondback Explorer and now Asp Explorer. My main missions, here I do feel "noob" yet, since I always play transportation missions. All was going well with numerous interdictions mostly all evaded, until yesterday which is the reason of this new post as I really need to understand what actually happened yesterday ?? I was on the way to transport a chunk of cargo, got inderdicted, and oh boy it was difficult in fact I lost and got attacked and went bust. Things that happen, with peace of mind that I always have money for insurance. The usual rebuy screen came up, I selected rebuy ALL (to get all my invested modules), noticed there were a couple of fines (things got strange here already as I don't remember any fines but anyway I said to myself I'll just pay them off) ... now the biggest surprise as I didn't spawn in my last docked station, I ended up in The Pillar of Fortitude SPF-LF 1 Independent Detention Foundation without any modules!!! Instant Panic mode, but after I calmed down I tried to investigate what could have happened. First blame is that maybe I forgot to click rebuy all, but then I found out that all my core modules are still there (I perfectly remember myself saving up and buying the 5A thrusters) but ALL my optional modules all empty (thus no cargo racks, no shields, no scanners, no fuel scoop, etc)

Can someone explain to me what just happened to me there ? It was a totally negative surprise since I lost all my optional modules and had to buy them all again (some 3M credits!)

Thanks in advance for your explanations and shall be REALLY looking forward to get as much replies as possible ASAP to get myself prepared for not happening again!

Geoff

bladebss · Mar 10, 2018

Its very hard to say what happened, it sounds like you may have unchecked the modules in the rebuy screen and so didnt buy them back.

You could have got a fine for many reasons, carless docking, shooting without completeling a scan, loitering at a station, Failed mission?

How much was the fine?
Did you have enough money to pay the rebuy and fines?
Did you fiddle with stuff on the rebuy screen? If so what?

I dont know enough about the ins and outs of the new crime sysetem to know what triggers detention center but i think its more than a fine..

You could contact support and they may be able to get your stuff back, or at least investigate exactly what happened.

But with out a video of what happened and what you did its very hard to know, especially as you dont.

Cmdr Eagleboy · Mar 10, 2018

Screens or video would help immensely. It feels however it is worth to submit a support ticket to get clearance what happened. Just do it, they are awesome guys, they will check this for you.

Jaiotu · Mar 10, 2018

After you were successfully interdicted you didn't happen to open fire against the interdictor did you? If you did then it is quite possible that you did so before completing a scan to confirm that your target was Wanted. If that is the case then this would explain your unexpected fines.

The loss of modules was probably due to accidentally deselecting them in the insurance screen.

Spawning at a detention facility instead of your last docked location is part of the new Crime and Punishment dynamics that are part of the 3.0 release. It confirms that you had a criminal status on you when you got blown up.

S~P · Mar 10, 2018

It sounds like the new C+P system. You said you had fines which means you were probably wanted in the system, then you lost your ship which is the 'Wanted' ship but then bought back a new ship, all the modules on your ship are also wanted so you can't get them back. I think that's how the new crime and punishment system now works.

Jack Schitt · Mar 10, 2018

There's another thread somewhere with a broadly similar scenario. Consensus seemed to be that because Rebuy All is already pre-selected on the Rebuy screen, by clicking it you can accidentally de-select the option and end up losing stuff.

I'm not sure why this would result in your retaining your upgraded core modules but not your optionals, but it's been so long since I've seen a rebuy screen (not bragging, I just play mostly Solo

) that I can only go from what I've read on the forums.

Best of luck figuring out what happened.

Hossi · Mar 10, 2018

The rebuy-screen can be a bit tricky. 'Rebuy-All' is active by default (or it should be at least), but it is a toggle. Meaning: if you click on 'Rebuy-All' you switch it off. Always double check before proceding here.

And a fine shouldnt bring you to a detention center, that would be a bug (entirely possible since this mechanic is pretty new). Or did you mean a bounty, thats a big difference now.
You could always check your log for this.

Adhock · Mar 10, 2018

Honestly that sounds like a bug you need to report.

Running cargo has it's own risks. If you were sourcing cargo to bring back that's one thing.

If you were provided cargo to transport, that's another. If you fail that mission by any means whether by manually abandoning it, time running out, or you get blown up with the cargo still aboard, you will incur a fine as the faction in question recoups the loss of the cargo they provided to you. After all you got it for 'free' and it's not really your cargo, it's theirs. You're just the trucker.

Where the bug incurs is that such things are usually a fine and not a straight up bounty that would cause you to respawn in a detention center. If you shot them before completing your scan OR they shot you first, that would incur an assault bounty and likely result in your incarceration.

If you preemtively fought back, that would result in your incarceration. If you tried to flee and got blown up, that's a bug because that would have been a fine and not worth the trip to detention.

Likely the stripping of the optional mods was the result of your incarceration. Can't say for sure.

ragingspeed · Mar 10, 2018

hi guys ... I'm just reading all your comments now ... unbelievably IMPRESSED by the amount of helping feedback in such a very short period of time. impressive and thanks!! here are my replies to you all in short ...

1) this is going to be the most important reply to most of you I think ... absolutely nopes I didn't fire or attack anyone ... how I can easily confirm this? simple ... I have NO guns !!! haha I'm just a peaceful trucker ! (i liked the trucker comment!)
2) many of you suspect it is a bug ... yes I do now think this is a bug too ... I know about the re-buy toggle box thing ... it's pretty "dangerous" since it comes switched on by default, therefore one can easily "switch it on" when he is actually switching it off by mistake. Thing is that I am almost convincing myself that the rebuy was switched on because otherwise I would have ended up also with missing CORE items ... and as explained earlier I am totally sure I did myself buy those 5A thrusters (since it was a real pain to save for those expensive thrusters lol!)
3) transport missions I only accept are (still keep in mind I'm still a noob) those that I am given data cargo or items cargo and have to deliver them to somewhere else (in the future I wish to expand my missions further making the game more interesting but I do like transportation in fact I wish to save for a type 9 ... aaagreed many of you may be telling me what a mistake I will make since it's a heavy cumbersome thing but it looks the ideal ship for me)
4) videos and snapshots are not available guys

this happened VERY fast, almost no time to think what is actually happening in front of my eyes, therefore no time to think of getting a video (keep in mind that after I got killed I already had in my mind "ok ... I'll rebuy everything ... and go back to last station .... then KABOOM the huuuuuge surprise!)
5) yes i 100% am sure I did have enough money for the rebuy and for the fines. I remember the rebuy was around 600K and fines not much around 80K (in fact I didn't worry much about the money as I always take care I have double the insurance money... I had some 3M .. which then almost all of it went to buy back all the optional lost modules

)
6) I did open a bug ticket as many of you suggested ... I will be giving you what they will answer me... for the sake of this forum completeness and for the sake of everyone's curiosity

7) if it is really the new crime system with the recent update ... then this is bad ... baaaad ... veeeery bad ! it's not fair that you get incarcerated and lose all the optional modules after you get successfully interdicted and/or attacked ! then the insurance with the rebuy all would be useless ... this i very much hope it is a huge big bug !

thanks a million guys !

Jaiotu · Mar 10, 2018

ragingspeed said:
1) this is going to be the most important reply to most of you I think ... absolutely nopes I didn't fire or attack anyone ... how I can easily confirm this? simple ... I have NO guns !!! haha I'm just a peaceful trucker ! (i liked the trucker comment!)

I fly without guns as well. That really leaves me scratching my head as to what could have happened.

I think Captains Log or one of the other 3rd Party tools can be used to read back your CMDR Journal file in an easy to read format. That might help pinpoint what happened ... though 'bug' seems to be completely reasonable at the moment.

A D · Mar 10, 2018

Jaiotu said:
After you were successfully interdicted you didn't happen to open fire against the interdictor did you? If you did then it is quite possible that you did so before completing a scan to confirm that your target was Wanted. If that is the case then this would explain your unexpected fines.

The loss of modules was probably due to accidentally deselecting them in the insurance screen.

Spawning at a detention facility instead of your last docked location is part of the new Crime and Punishment dynamics that are part of the 3.0 release. It confirms that you had a criminal status on you when you got blown up.

Pretty much this I think ----^

Wanted status when killed sends you to the nearest detention centre for the controlling faction. As that is where you ended up, probably had some unpaid fines sitting in your transactions panel. Here's the crime and punishment guide for 3.0.

Flin · Mar 10, 2018

I think it's a bug in the new C&P system.

I defended myself against a PP interdictor in my power's control systen, confirm wanted status, killed it, got a bounty reward.

Then I found that my ship is hot with a global bounty, but when I went to an interstellar factor and no fines or bounty to pay.

Hoping this issue will resolve itself before filling a bug report and send my log.

ragingspeed · Mar 10, 2018

guys ... I can re-assure you I didn't have any fines ... totally fines-less ... It is a habit of mine that go overboard by checking in the transactions window and in the contacts screen every time I dock to see if there are any fines. I do clear them immediately as (I am green in this area) I don't want them to evolve to some wanted status/bounty on my head. My fines are usually something like docking in an incorrect dock by mistake (I was sleepy here ! lol) or something like crashing a LITTLE bit into the station's walls while docking (especially those closed ones) ... so I just pay on the spot.

You mentioned logs, I did upload log files into Frontier's ticket, however I wish I can be able to read them. I've currently copied to files on my desktop and am trying to "read" them through notepad++ but they're not that straightforward to read

A D · Mar 10, 2018

Flin said:
I think it's a bug in the new C&P system.

I defended myself against a PP interdictor in my power's control systen, confirm wanted status, killed it, got a bounty reward.

Then I found that my ship is hot with a global bounty, but when I went to an interstellar factor and no fines or bounty to pay.

Hoping this issue will resolve itself before filling a bug report and send my log.

Probably not a bug. In Flin's case, sounds like he may have gained a "power bounty" which is different to normal bounties and outside the new C & P. Basically:

"• Crimes committed between Powerplay pledged Commanders generate power bounties instead of normal bounties (both players must be pledged and in a location controlled by an associated power or ally power).
• Power bounties can only be detected and claimed by Commanders pledged to the power that issued them."

ragingspeed · Mar 10, 2018

A D said:
Probably not a bug. In your case, sounds like you may have gained a "power bounty" which is different to normal bounties and outside the new C & P. Basically:

"• Crimes committed between Powerplay pledged Commanders generate power bounties instead of normal bounties (both players must be pledged and in a location controlled by an associated power or ally power).
• Power bounties can only be detected and claimed by Commanders pledged to the power that issued them."

but in this comment you are referring to FLIN's mishap right? you're not referring to my case I hope!

A D · Mar 10, 2018

ragingspeed said:
guys ... I can re-assure you I didn't have any fines ... totally fines-less ... It is a habit of mine that go overboard by checking in the transactions window and in the contacts screen every time I dock to see if there are any fines. I do clear them immediately as (I am green in this area) I don't want them to evolve to some wanted status/bounty on my head. My fines are usually something like docking in an incorrect dock by mistake (I was sleepy here ! lol) or something like crashing a LITTLE bit into the station's walls while docking (especially those closed ones) ... so I just pay on the spot.

You mentioned logs, I did upload log files into Frontier's ticket, however I wish I can be able to read them. I've currently copied to files on my desktop and am trying to "read" them through notepad++ but they're not that straightforward to read

Yes you did. Quote taken from your OP - "noticed there were a couple of fines".

A D · Mar 10, 2018

ragingspeed said:
but in this comment you are referring to FLIN's mishap right? you're not referring to my case I hope!

Correct - comment about power bounties directed at Flin.

(have edited my earlier post to clarify that)

ragingspeed · Mar 10, 2018

yepp .. i did notice a couple of fines as soon as i clicked rebuy all and so the fines just below the rebuy charge, then I ended up in that "detantion centre" !

Ashnak · Mar 10, 2018

Ok, to OP:

- don't just submit a bug report in the bug report forum (if that is what you did), in parallel (and more important for your situation) also send a ticket to Frontier support.
- if you can't read the logs manually, get (for example) EDDiscovery. That is (one of the) app(s) that will read out the player logfiles and present them in a readable format. Also useful for a lot of other things, but also for that kind of post mortem analysis.

I've seen people write about things like this (unexpectedly spawning in a detention facility, losing part of their modules on respawn) a few times since 3.0, so personally I think this could be a bug. Support will likely sort you out, at least as far as your monetary status is concerned. If you lost any engineered modules, this might be a bit tricky.

One more question from me: are you sure you were interdicted by an NPC, or could it have been a player?

Drelthar · Mar 10, 2018

I think people have mostly covered this, a few notes from me though:

Fines do not send you to detention centres. You either had a bounty in that particular jurisdiction, which was detected before you were killed, OR, you encountered a bug, which sent you to a detention centre when you only had fines.

It seems like you either, clicked Rebuy All, when it is already toggled on by default, and so, turned it off, fiddled with something else, or encountered a very strange bug, or, a combination of bug, plus some rebuy screen fiddling.

Generally, you dont need to click anything, except the confirm button at the bottom, because by default, everything is selected to be rebought.

S~P said:
It sounds like the new C+P system. You said you had fines which means you were probably wanted in the system, then you lost your ship which is the 'Wanted' ship but then bought back a new ship, all the modules on your ship are also wanted so you can't get them back. I think that's how the new crime and punishment system now works.

This had some misinformation in it.

Firstly, having fines, does not make you wanted. Having bounties makes you wanted.

Yes, modules can be "Hot" however, when you rebuy your ship, so long as you can pay the bounties for the jurisdiction in which your bounty was detected before you were destroyed, you will not lose those modules.