what just happened to me ?!

[A D]

I think people have mostly covered this, a few notes from me though:

Fines do not send you to detention centres. You either had a bounty in that particular jurisdiction, which was detected before you were killed, OR, you encountered a bug, which sent you to a detention centre when you only had fines.

It seems like you either, clicked Rebuy All, when it is already toggled on by default, and so, turned it off, fiddled with something else, or encountered a very strange bug, or, a combination of bug, plus some rebuy screen fiddling.

Generally, you dont need to click anything, except the confirm button at the bottom, because by default, everything is selected to be rebought.



This had some misinformation in it.

Firstly, having fines, does not make you wanted. Having bounties makes you wanted.

Yes, modules can be "Hot" however, when you rebuy your ship, so long as you can pay the bounties for the jurisdiction in which your bounty was detected before you were destroyed, you will not lose those modules.

Yes, loose terminology (including by me). A "bounty" makes you wanted and sends you to a detention center.

 

[ragingspeed]

yep ... i already created a ticket in https://support.frontier.co.uk and followed their instructions including the upload of my last three journal log files.

EDDiscovery is a blast !! excellent tool !!

therefore according to journals ... this is HALF of what I know that happened ... yes the interdiction did happen, however this was another rebuy BEFORE the rebuy in question. that rebuy went all fine. I am just noticing that I was in Jones Relay station in Fortuna System, I launched my ship, and my little daughter called me, and I just left my ship there. the "leave station" counter expired, and I kept blocking the landing pad, which resulted in a warning, ultimately a crime, and station authorized lethal response against me, flagged me as criminal and killed me. Then I resurrected in that detention centre with the rebuy options and the fines (for blocking the landing pad). Now here comes the bug (I think) where I am COMPARING the loadout of the rebuy with other rebuys' loadouts and I can see that the OPTIONAL MODULES PORTION is missing, while the other loadouts have the optional modules portion under the core modules portion.

Sorry for misleading you to the interdiction but I have mixed these two events due to my little daughter's bad dream she was having lol

BUT ... the optional modules problem/issue is still to stand right? Why shouldn't I have the optional modules INCLUDED in the rebuy? This I think needs to be answered in Frontier's ticket I created!

 

[Garand1987]

Is it possible that the cargo you were hauling was prohibited in the system you were in? Causing a Security vessel to scan and then interdict, resulting in a bounty?

 

[Pendergast]

guys ... I can re-assure you I didn't have any fines ... totally fines-less ... It is a habit of mine that go overboard by checking in the transactions window and in the contacts screen every time I dock to see if there are any fines. I do clear them immediately as (I am green in this area) I don't want them to evolve to some wanted status/bounty on my head. My fines are usually something like docking in an incorrect dock by mistake (I was sleepy here ! lol) or something like crashing a LITTLE bit into the station's walls while docking (especially those closed ones) ... so I just pay on the spot.

You mentioned logs, I did upload log files into Frontier's ticket, however I wish I can be able to read them. I've currently copied to files on my desktop and am trying to "read" them through notepad++ but they're not that straightforward to read

Rebuy all is the default, if you clicked it you actually de-selected your modules. On the rebuy screen all you need to click is "proceed".

 

[Adhock]

Is it possible that the cargo you were hauling was prohibited in the system you were in? Causing a Security vessel to scan and then interdict, resulting in a bounty?

It's a possibility. It depends on whether or not the faction in question provided said cargo was engaging in some questionable activities.

I will reiterate my previous statement. If you lose the cargo provided to you on a hauling mission through any means, you will incur a fine.

 

[Drelthar]

Is it possible that the cargo you were hauling was prohibited in the system you were in? Causing a Security vessel to scan and then interdict, resulting in a bounty?

This would only result in a bounty if they interdicted you, and then you shot them.

Security can scan you and find illegal cargo, but this results in a fine, not a bounty. They also wont open fire unless you already have a bounty. They don't fire on you for having unpaid fines, as you are meant to go and pay off the fine, so them killing you wouldn't make much sense there.

 

[d8veh]

If you were naughty, you respawn in the detention centre. I haven't done it myself yet, but I thought it cost a lot more to buy back a hot ship than it normally does. Maybe you only had enough for the standard rebuy, not the hot-ship rebuy, so they gave you your ship back less all the modules that you couldn't afford.

 

[the100thmonkey]

After you were successfully interdicted you didn't happen to open fire against the interdictor did you? If you did then it is quite possible that you did so before completing a scan to confirm that your target was Wanted. If that is the case then this would explain your unexpected fines.

That's not how it works.

• If the CMDR is clean in the jurisdiction, and the interdictor is a non-sysauth NPC, it will always be wanted - unwarranted interdictions are a crime. You don't need to scan the ship - you have all the scan information and the ship is wanted.
• If the CMDR is wanted, and the interdictor is a non-sysauth NPC, the NPC will not be wanted and taking fire from the interdictor will not make them wanted - it was a warranted interdiction.
• If the NPC is sysauth, firing on the interdictor will lead to wanted status regardless of criminal status.

 

[ragingspeed]

i posted a post but it seems it is not appearing correctly in this thread it is saying moderated post ... what can I do to post it correctly as it is a very important thread update

 

[Ashnak]

Wait for the mods to approve it. They're apparently not yet convinced that you're human .

 

[ragingspeed]

trying to re post that post and paraphrasing ... here it is ...

yes ... i did upload the journal log files attached to the Frontier support ticket, after following all their instructions

EDDiscovery ... EXCELLENT tool ... I'm instantly in love with it. In fact after using it I've noticed HALF the story as follows ...

- I was interdicted and killed, yes, but that was another rebuy which all went fine
- after the interdiction, I ended up in Jones Relay outpost in 15 Lambda Aurigae system
- I launched my ship, at the exact moment when my little daughter called me so I left the ship as-is hovering over the landing pad stationary
- the "Leave station" counter expired, so the outpost sent me warning to leave immediately
- further warnings that I'm blocking the landing pad
- this resulted to a warning, then to a crime and station authorized lethal response against me, flagged me as criminal and then killed me
- I resurrected in that detention centre with the rebuy options and the fines (for blocking the landing pad)
- Now here comes the bug (I think) where I am COMPARING (through EDDiscovery) the loadout of the rebuy with other rebuys' loadouts and I can see that the OPTIONAL MODULES PORTION is missing, while the other loadouts have the optional modules portion under the core modules portion

but .. the optional modules problem/issue is still to stand right? Why shouldn't I have the optional modules included in the rebuy? This I think needs to be answered in Frontier's ticket I created

 

[ragingspeed]

apparently I'm switching between human and alien because posts sometimes appear (like the last one) and sometimes don't appear (like the one before the last one, which is MUCH more important) lol

 

[Flin]

Probably not a bug. In Flin's case, sounds like he may have gained a "power bounty" which is different to normal bounties and outside the new C & P. Basically:

"• Crimes committed between Powerplay pledged Commanders generate power bounties instead of normal bounties (both players must be pledged and in a location controlled by an associated power or ally power).
• Power bounties can only be detected and claimed by Commanders pledged to the power that issued them."

Might be my misunderstanding of how it works now. I had presume this power bounty is for PVP. My attacker was an NPC.

 

[Flin]

but .. the optional modules problem/issue is still to stand right? Why shouldn't I have the optional modules included in the rebuy? This I think needs to be answered in Frontier's ticket I created

I think so.

Hopefully support can explain what happened.

My case could be something I did that I didn't realize the impact under the new C&P rules or it's a bug.

 

[A D]

Now I'm confused

 

[ragingspeed]

no response yet from frontier support :'(

 

[ragingspeed]

guys!

just received an update in Frontier's Support ticket. As many of you guys mentioned that Frontier Support are top notch excellent guys, I guarantee you that they truly are .... they gave me back all my lost optional modules no questions asked. First class support I must say! Thanks to them and you guys for hearing me out !

Geoff

 

[Darth Llama]

The fine is because he was doing a cargo mission. If you die carrying someone else's cargo, you get fined. When you accept the mission, it says in the description that failing this mission will result in a fine.

If the new C&P spawned you in a detention center because of this though, that's a huge problem that should be looked at. It should have been a fine, not a bounty.. you shouldn't have to spawn at a detention center for a fine. Sounds to me like this 'great' new system failed to determine the difference between a fine and a bounty.

Honestly, this probably boils down to yet another problem with this half baked and poorly thought out new crime system. 3.0 has been mostly great, but the C&P system sucks out loud.


[Edit] Saw you got your stuff back.. glad to hear it. You didn't deserve to lose that stuff.. glad they helped you out.

 

[ragingspeed]

yep .... most probably it's a bug in the new crime system, in fact even frontier support are confirming that it is a high probability it is a bug in these areas :

- the fact that I ended up in a detention foundation
- the fact that I lost all my optional modules even with the rebuy all ticked ON

they suggested me to take a video when this issue happens again ... which I find it a bit strange on how to take it. In order to be able to capture such an intermittent bug, one would need to be recording constantly right? what do you all think? how do you go about this?

Thanks !!

 

[Ashnak]

they suggested me to take a video when this issue happens again ... which I find it a bit strange on how to take it. In order to be able to capture such an intermittent bug, one would need to be recording constantly right? what do you all think? how do you go about this?

Thanks !!

If you're on a PC, check your graphics driver/utility app (Geforce Experience for NVidia). Usually, these offer an "instant replay" feature. Set it up with enough space on a scratch drive (I wouldn't use my SSD for it, though), then hit the right button combo, and the last xx minutes before that button press will land as video on that drive.

No idea about consoles, though.