What makes a planet terraformable?

Question for the hivemind (didn't get an answer in the big FB group).

What are the parameters for a planet to be terraformable?

I am asking because I have found many planets that I thought would make nice candidates but were not labeled as terraformable, and I have found many planets that were labeled as terraformable, but have some crazy atmospheres (i.e. 800k surface temp and 200 atm pressure).

does anybody know a bit more about the algorithm?
 
Yeah, I think the actual current temperature and pressure don't matter much. If I recall, the main features are that it has a surface gravity of 2G or less, and orbits within an appropriate distance around the star to be in the habitable zone, meaning that it could sustain appropriate temperatures to have liquid water at the surface if it had an Earth-like atmosphere. The current atmosphere, or lack thereof, is considered an engineering problem and not a show-stopper.
 
surface gravity of 2G or less

And above a lower limit that I can't quite remember off hand.

Pretty much anything not too big or too small in the habitable zone (EDSM or EDD will both calculate that for you for a given single star system, extra stars will push it a bit off from that) will be terraformable.
 
To pass the terraformability test, a planet has to answer the following questions correctly:
  • Is your surface gravity between 0.40 and 1.99 Earth-standard gravities?
  • Is your semimajor axis of orbit inside the Goldilocks Zone of the star system?
That's it, really. If the planet can say "yes" to both of those questions, then it should be terraformable. Changing the current composition of the atmosphere is considered an engineering problem, not a laws-of-physics problem. Likewise the presence or absence of liquid water.

The "Goldilocks Zone" question doesn't quite work as one might expect. A planet with two widely-spaced stars in theory ought to be less habitable than a single-star system, because the goldilocks Zone would keep moving about and a planet landing in the Zone for all or most of its orbit would be highly improbable. But the Stellar Forge seems to regard multiple stars as a positive, rather than a negative, creating a very wide Goldilocks Zone that can fit multiple planetary orbits inside it.

There's also something odd happening with moons; they tend to be noticeably warmer than they "ought" to be, as if the planet they are orbiting is significantly contributing to the heat levels. It's probably an attempt to model tidal heating, but it seems to be present even on moons where tidal heating ought to be nearly nonexistent (like on Earth's moon). This effect tends to make otherwise Terraformable moons too hot, and moons that "ought to be" too cold can be pushed into terraformability. It's rarely seen, because moons large enough to qualify by gravity are rare to begin with.

The "semimajor axis" question can lead to some rather amusing terraforming candidates, if the planet happens to have a high eccentricity. High eccentricity would regularly push the planet way outside the Goldilocks Zone, theoretically making the planet much less likely to be capable of supporting an Earth-like atmosphere. It ought to be really, really hard to terraform a gigantic comet, but the Stellar Forge doesn't seem to care.

Finally, there are very rare glitches where we simply can't figure out why a certain planet is classed as terraformable, and an apparently otherwise identical planet right next to it is not. There may be some other characteristic in the algorithms we're not aware of. My guess is that, rather than current atmosphere being irrelevant as I stated earlier, that there is a factor that makes planets with extra-thick atmospheres less terraformable. But if this effect is real, it's very hard to pin down.

Feel free to post some pics of some of the planets you're having trouble with, and we'll see if we can explain why they unexpectedly pass or fail the terraformability test.
 
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Feel free to post some pics of some of the planets you're having trouble with, and we'll see if we can explain why they unexpectedly pass or fail the terraformability test.
Will have to do some screenie/archive digging (or lots of new FSS scans :D ), but there are binary pairs where one is terraformable and the other is not while both falling inside those parameters you outlined.

Also there are planet/moon pairs where as well one is terraformable and the other is not while both falling inside those parameters you outlined.
 
...there are binary pairs where one is terraformable and the other is not while both falling inside those parameters you outlined.

Yes, I've seen them too - they are the "rare glitches" I mentioned earlier. I re-discovered one just yesterday, in fact: two co-orbiting planets , both seeming to qualify. The slightly larger one (a HMC) passes the test. The slightly smaller one (a waterworld) does not. It's a mystery:

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I find this planet particularly unrealistic as a terraforming candidate. 1.88 Gravity, surface temp 1110 K, which is about 836 C. Whereas I come across planets which have 0.9 G, temperature of 250-300K, carbon dioxide atmosphere, very similar to Earth's mass and so on, but these planets are not able to be terraformed...I think it is partly random and partly based on certain parameters.
 

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In one if hips I saw TF candidate, problem is main star.
It is wolf-rayet star.
TF candidate is...less than 900ls away.
Edit: oh, this is BD-12 134 A6
 
Question for the hivemind (didn't get an answer in the big FB group).

What are the parameters for a planet to be terraformable?

I am asking because I have found many planets that I thought would make nice candidates but were not labeled as terraformable, and I have found many planets that were labeled as terraformable, but have some crazy atmospheres (i.e. 800k surface temp and 200 atm pressure).

does anybody know a bit more about the algorithm?
A planet or moon can be completely terraform able, but it depends on the particular life form. Humans are not the only life form in the universe. One could assume that landing on Earth at one point in time we would have found it inhabitable. Due to the thickness of the the atmosphere when dinosaurs existed, humans couldn't have existed. The giant birds of the past would not be able to fly in the atmosphere that exist today. At some point in the future, either will we.
 
I find this planet particularly unrealistic as a terraforming candidate. 1.88 Gravity, surface temp 1110 K, which is about 836 C. Whereas I come across planets which have 0.9 G, temperature of 250-300K, carbon dioxide atmosphere, very similar to Earth's mass and so on, but these planets are not able to be terraformed...I think it is partly random and partly based on certain parameters.

In both these examples you've given, the answer to the question is "carbon dioxide greenhouse warming". In the first planet, the reason it is so hot is it has a super-Venusian atmosphere. Take the atmosphere away and replace it with a thin nitrogen-oxygen atmosphere, and the planet cools right down to terrafromability. In the second example, the only reason the planet is as warm as it is, is because of the CO2; that that away (which you need to do to make it habitable), and it becomes too cold.

In one if hips I saw TF candidate, problem is main star.
It is wolf-rayet star.
TF candidate is...less than 900ls away.
Edit: oh, this is BD-12 134 A6

The parameters do not take the likely future state of the star into account; all it looks at is how close the environment can come to Earth, right now. That the star is likely to explode before the Human bubble expands out that far is irrelevant. The only "unrealistic" thing here is a human terraforming operation willing to pay for information about a planet that would never logically be colonized.

A planet or moon can be completely terraform able, but it depends on the particular life form. Humans are not the only life form in the universe. One could assume that landing on Earth at one point in time we would have found it inhabitable. Due to the thickness of the the atmosphere when dinosaurs existed, humans couldn't have existed. The giant birds of the past would not be able to fly in the atmosphere that exist today. At some point in the future, either will we.

ED's definition of "Earth-like" is highly Human-centric; it needs to be able to support a human, indefinitely, without a space-suit. So no crushing gravity, no toxic gases, just the right temperature and amount of oxygen. It is true that for most of Earth's history, Earth itself would not be considered an "Earth-like planet" under ED's parameters - it would have been too hot, or too cold, or too much oxygen, too much CO2, etc. and would have been classed as either Water World or HMC. It would have been a terraformable WW or HMC, though. The same with terraformability; if it can be given an Earth-like environment to support unprotected Humans, then it's terraformable.
 
But...but...we are talking about less than 900ls from star which has temperature 160.000K, more than 1 sol mass, and nearly 4x bigger radius.
Problem isn't in future explosion ;)
 
True, the problem there is that it's a "hand-crafted" system, not one that was made by the Stellar Forge procedural generator.

Hand crafted systems get the rulebook tossed out the window - or at least, it becomes a general guide rather than fixed universal laws. There are several "oddities" in the hand-made systems, like Earth-like planets orbiting just a few Ls away from a Sol-type star, yet magically don;t spontaneously evaporate.
 
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