What on earth is going on with law and order and 14.02?

[LudicrousSextus]

Your ship is impounded. Logging into Horizons to get around it won't solve the problem; it'll just get locked down again when you try to reboard it, as you've discovered. You have to pay the impound fee.

This has nothing to do with 14.02, you're just making a mess of things by trying to avoid paying that fee.

The point is I was in my ship prior to 14.02 and then after 14.02 I was on foot on the station my ship was docked and my ship was a few hundred light years away at SPF-LF 1. It has everything to do with 14.02. Especially since when I got my ship back I cleared all bounties and fines and so the ship was clear yet now it has been impounded again for no reason. So I am not trying to avoid paying anything just trying to avoid paying it again.

After a murder spree I had a similar experience recently. I died and went to prison, tried to board my ship wich it didn't allow so I took an apex. At the station I found out that my ship was still at the detention facility. Tried to get it transported to the station which appeared to work but didn't. I solved this by exiting to main menu and then using the new Help->Stuck Recovery option, this got me back into my ship in orbit around the prison ship. A bit later I noticed that I could disembark on a planetary surface but no longer get back into my ship (though it worked in space ports). The solution to this was to change ship and then change back which told me that the ship carried bounties and allowed me to pay them off.

Sort of similar to me except that when I got my ship back and paid of the bounties the next time I changed ships it was impounded again!

Just pay the fine
If you managed to get 5 Billion together for a FC surely you can figure out how to get that amount of credits to pay off your murder spree?
If you have odyssey you don't need a ship, get a shuttle to a system in conflict and do on foot missions.
Not teaching grandma to suck eggs but even if you keep two cheap ships on your carrier, 1 for mining (easy money) and anything you like with a DSS you can honk and scan 2 or 3 systems for well over 500K.

Even with a fully fitted FC out in the black i always return to the bubble with far more credits than i left with, disco and exo pay really well now.
Not sure if you did the Robigo mines runs before you took a break but if you don't mind a grind, build a passenger python, spend a few nights up there and never have to worry about carrier upkeep again.

O7

Of course I can figure it out. It just isn't a fun way to play. Then again maybe that is why this is a problem. I stopped playing for a while as it ceased to be fun and just kept logging in every few months to top up my carrier balance. Now that things like this happen it is even less fun. I suppose this just isn't the game for me anymore. Grinding is a chore especially when it is forced like this.

 

[Ozric]

After a murder spree I had a similar experience recently. I died and went to prison, tried to board my ship wich it didn't allow so I took an apex. At the station I found out that my ship was still at the detention facility. Tried to get it transported to the station which appeared to work but didn't. I solved this by exiting to main menu and then using the new Help->Stuck Recovery option, this got me back into my ship in orbit around the prison ship. A bit later I noticed that I could disembark on a planetary surface but no longer get back into my ship (though it worked in space ports). The solution to this was to change ship and then change back which told me that the ship carried bounties and allowed me to pay them off.

That was one of the biggest concerns that was raised when Frontier announced the official split of the codebases, as at the time there were a lot of situations where swapping back to Horizons was the only, or easiest solution.
Support replied to someone saying the workaround was to transfer a ship to your location, swap into that ship, then back into your original to pay off the bounty. Frontier decided this was an acceptable inconvenience to put players through.

 

[Jack Winter]

That was one of the biggest concerns that was raised when Frontier announced the official split of the codebases, as at the time there were a lot of situations where swapping back to Horizons was the only, or easiest solution.
Support replied to someone saying the workaround was to transfer a ship to your location, swap into that ship, then back into your original to pay off the bounty. Frontier decided this was an acceptable inconvenience to put players through.

It's all somewhat incongruent, especially considering that C&P is basically useless in preventing crime (at least if you have cash to pay off your bounty). What surprised me is that I didn't get my record and that of my ship cleared by going to prison and paying what was asked. And what really surprised me is that I could fly the ship, embark/disembark on stations, but when on foot and needing my ship I could no longer embark...

There are several bugs at work here that hopefully they'll fix at some future moment.

Still I think the solution to the OP is to use the new recovery feature and then change ships to make sure that everything is paid off and the ship fully legal again. Or if they really paid it all off already, a ticket to support (not the bug tracker).

 

[Ozric]

It's all somewhat incongruent, especially considering that C&P is basically useless in preventing crime (at least if you have cash to pay off your bounty). What surprised me is that I didn't get my record and that of my ship cleared by going to prison and paying what was asked. And what really surprised me is that I could fly the ship, embark/disembark on stations, but when on foot and needing my ship I could no longer embark...

There are several bugs at work here that hopefully they'll fix at some future moment.

Still I think the solution to the OP is to use the new recovery feature and then change ships to make sure that everything is paid off and the ship fully legal again. Or if they really paid it all off already, a ticket to support (not the bug tracker).

Being able to fly the ship is a new one on me too

 

[Rat Catcher]

Being able to fly the ship is a new one on me too

I have even had a ship impounded on my FC, it only had a tiny bounty, but cost the rebuy + bounty to get back. That was weird, I confess.

 

[Jack Winter]

FWIW, it was changing ship on my carrier that brought the unpaid bounty to light, can't remember if I had to pay a rebuy too.

 

[Ned Flandalorian]

Especially since when I got my ship back I cleared all bounties and fines and so the ship was clear yet now it has been impounded again for no reason.

This is how you "got your ship back" according to your opening post:

Logged out and back in via Horizons.

So you never paid the impound off in the first place, and that's why your ship keeps getting impounded - you're using workarounds to get back in it. Clearing the bounties and/or fines that caused it to get impounded will not make the impound fee go away. You're going to have to pay it sooner or later or you're just going to keep having problems.

 

[Daniel Cloudsifter]

I have to admit that I do find the way Odyssey handles bounties is confusing. Pre-Odyssey (and post C&P revision) bounties were tied to whatever ship you did the crime in and they became "hot." But you could switch to another ship and not be wanted. Now it seems like it's the worst of both worlds - your wanted status follows you from ship to ship and some ships remain "tainted/hot."

This is extra frustrating when it's due to you get a PP Zachary Hudson bounty (for blowing up his ships) in an anarchy system. This frustration is compounded further by the fact that Interstellar factors can't currently clear bounties if your in a system with the faction that wants you. And then the whole getting notoriety after killing 2 or 3 people while on foot. sigh

It's all just a nuisance to me, not anything remotely close to making me rage quit or anything.

Finally, concerning the title of this post: it struck me as funny as I immediately started hearing the narrator, and the donk donk sound, from the Law and Order show! We need a new spin off: Law and Order - Pilot's Federation Unit

"In interstellar criminal justice system of 3309, the people are represented by one group fulfilling two separate, but equally important functions: the Commanders who investigate/track down those responsible for the crime and then dispatch the guilty for their bounties. These are their stories."​

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donk donk​

 

[photomankc]

If you wind up on foot in the detention facility having been killed away from the ship, the ship is not present to be boarded when you spawn. There is no ship to board to get into the elevators. There is no shipyard service in the concourse of these stations (if there is I have certainly missed it looking about). So I can't do anything with the ship while there. I then take Apex to another station to find I can't transfer the ship either. I have to bring over another ship from storage, make it the active ship and now return to the detention center and land. I can now from the shipboard services menu go to shipyard, and transfer into my impounded ship after paying the rebuy cost. Now I can go back to the normal station and pay to transfer my shuttle ship back.

I'm sorry but that is a major PITA and a person with a single ship will find themselves in a nice pickle at that point. I must admit the two times I got hit with this I was royally confused about what was going on. I'd even be willing to accept the taxi-ride-of-shame if the damn transfer would let me pay the fine and just transfer the ship over.

Again, if there is an on-foot shipyard service at the prison ships I have not spotted it the couple of times I have run into this so if there is one, I'm happy to learn this.

 

[Tikanderoga]

It's all somewhat incongruent, especially considering that C&P is basically useless in preventing crime (at least if you have cash to pay off your bounty).

It's a mere inconvenience at best.
There is NOTHING that stops me from shooting up a base and deal with a 2 notoriety. Since sitting on a pad counts towards time played, letting the PC sit and run over night will clear your notoriety. The rest afterwards is won't even make a dent in the budget.

 

[LudicrousSextus]

This is how you "got your ship back" according to your opening post:

So you never paid the impound off in the first place, and that's why your ship keeps getting impounded - you're using workarounds to get back in it. Clearing the bounties and/or fines that caused it to get impounded will not make the impound fee go away. You're going to have to pay it sooner or later or you're just going to keep having problems.

No. You misinterpret the post. I paid it off and it still wouldn't clear. I had to use the Horizons to be able to get it back and pay it off again. I paid it twice. happened again and the Horizons thing didn't work.....

 

[LudicrousSextus]

If you wind up on foot in the detention facility having been killed away from the ship, the ship is not present to be boarded when you spawn.

This is sort of true. Thats how it generally works. Since .02 I have had this happen twice, a third time and there was no ship to board as usual. Caught a shuttle back to the station my ship was at and it wasn't there but back at the Redemption where I was but when I was it wasn't there!!!

Transferred the ship and... can't board it! Transferred another ship and can't board that either due to 'cargo'. Seems that if you don't log off after settling a bounty in game it is marked as paid so you can't settle it again but you are still treated as if it is in force. Then rather than say the ship is impounded, which it shouldn't be as you paid it off (And wont be if you logged out), it says that it has cargo and you can't transfer if even though you did transfer it and now can't board it.

I need to log off and on for any fines paid to clear otherwise you are treated as if it wasn't paid and you can't board your ship but can transfer it although the message is that it has cargo when it doesn't. So no since I didn't log out and made the mistake of transferring two ships I have two ships impounded at the rebuy cost (Despite paying the fine).

Going to try the Horizons thing again but this is quite frankly ridiculous. In the meantime I have noticed another 3-4 non C&P bugs that weren't there before. Such a mess.

 

[Dillon Fallon]

So what we've learned here- don't hand yourself in if you know you got a fine or bounty in a ship with an expensive rebuy.

I can agree that finding out that I had bounties on 5 of my ships - 2 of which were 10 million each to pay off the impound fee - was a bit of a shock at the time.

That said, I'd like to know if fines are really supposed to not be possible to pay off with notoriety. If not I don't really see the point of them as opposed to just having bounties.

 

[Rat Catcher]

So what we've learned here- don't hand yourself in if you know you got a fine or bounty in a ship with an expensive rebuy.

I can agree that finding out that I had bounties on 5 of my ships - 2 of which were 10 million each to pay off the impound fee - was a bit of a shock at the time.

That said, I'd like to know if fines are really supposed to not be possible to pay off with notoriety. If not I don't really see the point of them as opposed to just having bounties.

I had to do stuff that let my notoriety fall to zero (played AX warfare for a while) in order to pay off an insignificant bounty (less than 200 mill) issued by a couple of ungrateful factions, to prevent my having effective rebuys on a few ships...

 

[Dillon Fallon]

I had to do stuff that let my notoriety fall to zero (played AX warfare for a while) in order to pay off an insignificant bounty (less than 200 mill) issued by a couple of ungrateful factions, to prevent my having effective rebuys on a few ships...

Yeah, had that a couple of times myself. Not that it was a problem, just part of the learning experience with the new C&P that Odyssey brought.

 

[Screemonster]

A cool and fun way to burn off notoriety while also earning enough credits to pay the bounties and more is to hit up one of the invasion systems and mix it up at one of the station CZs for a while.

It's a safe and legal thrill!