What portion of the game do you own as a costumer?

[Zing Freelancer]

So without an offline mode being forced to always stay connected to a hive server, the ability to wipe clean your save data by developers at will.

What portion of this product do you own as a costumer?

 

[WeirdWizard]

Well 0 obviously.

 

[SpaceGoblin]

Nobody who ever bought any computer game owns any part of those games.

You buy a license to use the copy of the software you took home (back in the days when we actually had to leave the house to get our games!)/downloaded.

Thus it has always been.

 

[Daeron]

The experience of course.

 

[Morbad]

Nobody who ever bought any computer game owns any part of those games.

There is quite a high level of de facto ownership in DRM free (via any means) games.

 

[Chek]

You don't own any game, movie or song file that you purchase. It is owned by the copyright holder(usually the publisher) all you're buying is a licence to use it, in whatever form they choose to distribute it.

 

[SpaceGoblin]

There is quite a high level of de facto ownership in DRM free (via any means) games.

I'm not disputing that - nor am I aware of any attempts to revoke those licenses where it was more involved than banning someones account for an online game.

I'm just surprised* so many people seem to be unaware of the terms of sale/eula they accept/enter into at point of purchase, and this isn't the first time I've seen this question asked on these forums, so thought I'd put that out there early in this thread, since i had the opportunity.

* I shouldn't be, but I am.

 

[Ian Phillips]

glad somebody understands the OP

 

[Jackie Silver]

What portion of this product do you own as a costumer?

Not much as the lack of avatar customisation puts a real crimp in it, though I do like the black leather number I wear to sit the pilot's chair of my Cobra.

 

[Tuzmaal]

Not much as the lack of avatar customisation puts a real crimp in it, though I do like the black leather number I wear to sit the pilot's chair of my Cobra.

Be glad you dont see the full avatar with a gag ball in his mouth

 

[Kurgen]

Not being a costumer, I couldn't say.

 

[SlickReed]

None to my knowledge.

 

[HoshiQaVam]

What is the obsession that people have with ownership?

This is like the media constantly going on about "tax payers own xxx". Tax payers don't own anything. Paying tax doesn't mean you're purchasing a portion of the governmnet.

Same here in Elite. You don't own anything other than the right to play the game. You aren't paying a monthly subscription, you aren't helping fund the servers that hold any synced data, so what exactly is it you think you own?

 

[Zing Freelancer]

Same here in Elite. You don't own anything other than the right to play the game. You aren't paying a monthly subscription, you aren't helping fund the servers that hold any synced data, so what exactly is it you think you own?

I do own my save files from Dragon Age Origins.
I do own my save files from The Witcher 1 and 2.
I do own my save files from Company of Heroes.
I do own my save files from Endless Space.
I do own my save files from Mass Effect.
I do own my save files from X3.


?

 

[Distance]

If you're a "costumer" I hear they do hats in TF2

 

[Hekantonkheries]

So without an offline mode being forced to always stay connected to a hive server, the ability to wipe clean your save data by developers at will.

What portion of this product do you own as a costumer?

legally? the only part of the product you own as a paying consumer is a single license for server access with stipulations to follow a preset ToS and EULA, else have that license terminated.

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I do own my save files from Dragon Age Origins.
I do own my save files from The Witcher 1 and 2.
I do own my save files from Company of Heroes.
I do own my save files from Endless Space.
I do own my save files from Mass Effect.
I do own my save files from X3.


?

you dont, those save files and all thats on them are the intellectual and digital property of the company that made them, your just allowed to createand interact with additional save files as part of your contract of purchase for the license to use the software contained on the CD

 

[Nagual]

So without an offline mode being forced to always stay connected to a hive server, the ability to wipe clean your save data by developers at will.

What portion of this product do you own as a costumer?

It's not quite as simple as many people think. If you had a stand alone product, you would have the rights to give or sell the product as you saw fit. However as you specifically mention the lack of offline, quite rightly pointing to the fact the game requires a constant connection to the developers. You could argue you own your copy of the game, license and anything related to the game that you were given for purchasing the game. The trouble with this ownership is that you can't simple hand it over to another person and say "there you go, it's yours now, I've deleted it from my PC so we are all good" as it requires certain security checks ( mainly email addresses, store accounts etc) So unless FDEV offer some facility to allow sale of accounts, changing emails etc it's a fairly moot point.

 

[Jason S]

Apparently you own nothing but the ability to play.

 

[paauggie]

3.756% by my calculation