What ship next?

ahiredgun · Jul 31, 2015

I currently have a 115 million cr python and I'm looking at what I should get next and my opinions on each. First let me tell you my play style so far. I usually play like a heavy combat trader. Basically as I'm trading I get interdicted I submit fight and win.
Things that are important to me
Combat survivability
Cargo capacity
Firepower
Now I have a few choices
Type 9 transporter. I do not like this choice at all but the cargo capacity and the mean look of it is appealing. I will have to fight less run more but much greater profits.
The anaconda. I like the sound of it but I have my concerns about it. it's way expensive and everything for it is stupid expensive means much much more grinding but great firepower great protection and decent cargo.
Fer Dr lance. I will have to change my play style to make this one work, but it is the cheapest option and I could buy it and keep my beloved python. My major concerns are the lack of any cargo and the limited power but it can be a beast at bounty hunting and conda killing.
Which one should I get.

h347h · Jul 31, 2015

ahiredgun said:
I currently have a 115 million cr python and I'm looking at what I should get next and my opinions on each. First let me tell you my play style so far. I usually play like a heavy combat trader. Basically as I'm trading I get interdicted I submit fight and win.
Things that are important to me
Combat survivability
Cargo capacity
Firepower
Now I have a few choices
Type 9 transporter. I do not like this choice at all but the cargo capacity and the mean look of it is appealing. I will have to fight less run more but much greater profits.
The anaconda. I like the sound of it but I have my concerns about it. it's way expensive and everything for it is stupid expensive means much much more grinding but great firepower great protection and decent cargo.
Fer Dr lance. I will have to change my play style to make this one work, but it is the cheapest option and I could buy it and keep my beloved python. My major concerns are the lack of any cargo and the limited power but it can be a beast at bounty hunting and conda killing.
Which on should I get.

Id say wait a few weeks and get an Anaconda, if you ever wanted a combat trader experience that is the definitive ship to do that in. It has the second most cargo space, tons of guns it can put its nose where ever you want it, and you can have some fun with turrets if you like that sort of thing. You could just run a C5 or C6 shield instead of the 7 and just run maybe one shield cell bank the rest could be cargo slots. A D grade or C grade anaconda is adequate for pve. In pvp on the other hand not so much.

WlLL0W · Jul 31, 2015

i did have an anaconda, but i reckon i bought it too soon.

its a very good trader... the jump range see's to that but..
i got board with trading so i would respec it for combat but that takes a little time to do.
its nice in combat, but unless you have high rated modules in it,
you might feel that even though its good,
its nowhere near its full strength, and suffers a little because of that.

if i were to buy another anaconda i would make sure to have about 450m cr handy.

as it is, i have a 220m cr python for combat, and a type 9 for trading.

i love my python. the only module that isnt A rated is the fuel tank!

i know that it could easily kill the anaconda i sold!, and not only that
my type 9 carries 80 tons more cargo than the anaconda did

so if you were to spread yourself a little bit 'wider' you might find
that you cover more distance in the long run.

askavir · Jul 31, 2015

ahiredgun said:
I currently have a 115 million cr python and I'm looking at what I should get next and my opinions on each. First let me tell you my play style so far. I usually play like a heavy combat trader. Basically as I'm trading I get interdicted I submit fight and win.
Things that are important to me
Combat survivability
Cargo capacity
Firepower
Now I have a few choices
Type 9 transporter. I do not like this choice at all but the cargo capacity and the mean look of it is appealing. I will have to fight less run more but much greater profits.
The anaconda. I like the sound of it but I have my concerns about it. it's way expensive and everything for it is stupid expensive means much much more grinding but great firepower great protection and decent cargo.
Fer Dr lance. I will have to change my play style to make this one work, but it is the cheapest option and I could buy it and keep my beloved python. My major concerns are the lack of any cargo and the limited power but it can be a beast at bounty hunting and conda killing.
Which one should I get.

You already have the best ship for that.

T9 has no combat survivability nor firepower.
Fer-de-lance has no real trading capability.
Anaconda cannot dock at outpost. It will make money faster by trading though.

AndyJ · Jul 31, 2015

Oh god, not the T9!
I bought one a week or so ago to try scaling up my trade runs, and it's painfully slow and has a dreadful jump range (~13lyr) even with an A-rated FSD.
To make the most of it, you need two close systems that can sustain the trade and that are safe to fly in. So far, I've been lucky that the only NPC that's attacked me did so just outside of the station no-fire zone and it was quickly lit up by both the local patrol ships and the status itself. Didn't hang around to see what was attacking as it stripped my boosted shields down to 1 ring in no time at all!

If I get caught en-route then I just hope I can boost away fast enough, because it only has D-rated thrusters right now and turns like a one legged tortoise! I've turreted beams on board to try to dissuade any attackers but I doubt would survive very long. I don't think that I'll be keeping it long enough to drop another 45mil credits on A-rated thrusters to see if it handles any better, my current build cost around 100mil already and if I do lose one, it'll wipe out around 8million credits, half of that being cargo.
It's earned me enough credits now to consider selling it back and deeming it a failed experiment, but I'll try and stick with it a little longer!

I still have my Python kitted out for mining and it was a delight to hop back into it!

I'm quite enjoying some quiet mining sessions with it and there's always the option to switch back to trading - and after flopping about in a T9 for a while it's fast enough to be fun to fly and take on pirates. I love my Python!

If you enjoy dedicated combat/bounty hunting - have you tried the Vulture at all?
Maybe try that as they're tough little cookies - so long as you don't ganged up on - but insurance isn't too bad if the worst does happen. (my build) Haven't really taken it out to play since v1.3 and not sure how it would fare now on assassination missions if the target is in a wing- but it was pretty lethal last time I tried

(the underlined bits are links to my own ship setups)

Oh one last thing - don't forget too that if you do upsize to a T9 or anaconda, you won't be able to land at outposts any more ... also, here's a helpful thread to find the best discounts on ships and equipment if you're not already aware of it!

andrak · Jul 31, 2015

The T9 is a false economy. The Conda makes more creds per hour than the T9 through faster maneuverability, faster in and out of dock and its huge jump range regardless of the smaller cargo hold. The Conda can also defend itself. I wish I'd never bought a T9 and went straight to a a Conda.

Psycho Romeo · Jul 31, 2015

Orca. I am 100% serious. Fill her up with hull packets and the heaviest armor you can, then go through the airlock sideways at 99m/s.

Fizzymcbangbang · Jul 31, 2015

Anaconda. T9 is an awful awful awful flying experience. I had one for an hour and it made me want to /facepunch a puppy.
The Anaconda is a lot of fun (at least compared to the flying brick) and will earn you a tonne of credits reasonably fast.

Dont get a T9 - ever......think of the puppies.

Captain Fizz · Jul 31, 2015

ahiredgun said:
...I usually play like a heavy combat trader. Basically as I'm trading I get interdicted I submit fight and win.
Things that are important to me
Combat survivability
Cargo capacity
Firepower ...

Anaconda, hands down.
I got scanned with a bounty on the way into a station - Station + security firing at me until I got out of Mass Lock and charged FSD... Still had a ring of shields using Prismatic A4 and 6 x boosters.

I sold the Python en-route to it but if you can manage, just sell all modules on the Python to get the 'conda (and A FSD, Cargo Racks etc and 13 mill spare to cover insurance + cargo)

It will make more pennies and you can then grab a FDL or fully combat equip the Python in no time

Joey2o15 · Jul 31, 2015

I'd never dream of buying a T9, not with the terrible jump range it has.

andyraptor · Jul 31, 2015

A Sidewinder

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Joey2o15 said:
I'd never dream of buying a T9, not with the terrible jump range it has.

If you are not capable of finding a trade route to suit the "terrible" jump range ... you should probably steer well clear

Alex Brentnall · Jul 31, 2015

http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=706,5...a9Y8SD8D88I,0Bk0AA0AA0AA08c08c08c7RA07207202M

Respectable Combat-trader Anaconda.

450T (can be 452T but I have OCD so the last cargo rack is Class 1 not 2).
Costs 178mil with 9mil rebuy so you probably need about 215mil to buy and have cargo/spare cash.

The 4A shields with 6 A grade boosters does the job nicely against all NPC's and the weaker players. I'd not go head to head with a CMDR FDL/Python but you'd loose a lot of cargo and jump range to put a 6A shield in there. Should just about be able to take on a CMDR Vulture if you fly it right.

Possible combat upgrades:
For more combat first thing would be shield and powerplant.
Then maybe distributor and swap some pulse turrets for a beam and multicannon loadout.
Maybe a shield cell bank if you intend heavy combat.

Cliffson · Jul 31, 2015

Personally, after flying the t9 for the last week i don't think it's as bad as often portrayed. Yes once i can afford a trade conda i'll get one but the outlay is about twice that of a T9. So it's a nice stepping stone, and i enjoy the challenge of flying it, copious boosts and side thrusters makes it easier to land than a clipper (for me, maybe its because i pay more attention)

3 turreted beams, 2 gimb pulses classD thrusters (allows more frequent boosting), FA-off and SCBanks in the 2 and 3 slot, allows you to deal with wings of smaller ships (3 expert-deadly couriers is the toughest so far i've dealt with).

PvP it is a lame duck, found out the hard way when i tried to run from a python (mass lock is such a misnomer) fortunately he was 'kind' enough to give me a second chance to drop cargo.

I wish they would buff the t-series, arbitarily low shields and loads of mass with no benefit (poor relative mass lock, paper thin armour, i reckon they're made out of lead).

Sire · Jul 31, 2015

ahiredgun said:
I currently have a 115 million cr python and I'm looking at what I should get next and my opinions on each. First let me tell you my play style so far. I usually play like a heavy combat trader. Basically as I'm trading I get interdicted I submit fight and win.
Things that are important to me
Combat survivability
Cargo capacity
Firepower
Now I have a few choices
Type 9 transporter. I do not like this choice at all but the cargo capacity and the mean look of it is appealing. I will have to fight less run more but much greater profits.
The anaconda. I like the sound of it but I have my concerns about it. it's way expensive and everything for it is stupid expensive means much much more grinding but great firepower great protection and decent cargo.
Fer Dr lance. I will have to change my play style to make this one work, but it is the cheapest option and I could buy it and keep my beloved python. My major concerns are the lack of any cargo and the limited power but it can be a beast at bounty hunting and conda killing.
Which one should I get.

Mmmh let me think about it... in my opinion if you bought a T9 you should run more and fight less, if you bought a Conda you'll need much more grinding to afford its fitting but it has the great firepower pro that you don't have to underestimate. A third choice could be a FdL but you should completely change your play style and have to deal with lack of cargo and limited power.

Bearing well in mind all of the above the choice is up to you, now you have all what you need to make a wise one.

ahiredgun · Jul 31, 2015

Thanks guys I might go with an anaconda once I have at least 200 mil saved up. Right now my current python can only carry 208t of cargo and I can fight and win against all ships except high ranking anacondas. Mineing in a python = crazy

Alex Brentnall · Jul 31, 2015

ahiredgun said:
Thanks guys I might go with an anaconda once I have at least 200 mil saved up. Right now my current python can only carry 208t of cargo and I can fight and win against all ships except high ranking anacondas. Mineing in a python = crazy

Sounds like a good plan, remember your profit per ton in the T9 and Anaconda go down since you don't have access to outposts yet since the number of tons practically doubles you are still up on overall profit per trip

I'm actually really enjoying the T9 at the moment because my Anaconda is in an exploration setup and I cba to change it. Not having too many problems but im currently outside of powerplay and not flying near any player hotspots so hardly ever see anyone else. I can report that a 120mil fully A rated T9 with beam turrets can take out anything below a NPC Vulture although the Master Vulture that attacked me did do 15% hull damage before I vaporised him...