You chose the wrong method I'm afraidI discovered mining for engineering purposes and i fond it fun!
Lol, cuz you can fill your cargo 3x faster ? and add some jucy bounties in process ? And some extra manuf. materials ?I'm not sure why you would try to mine in a hi res or haz res. You've got an entire ring to choose from, why go where the pirates will definitely be?
Def Cutter. Big shield, gimballed beams, mining eqpt.I already have a combat vette and i made billions. Now i want to have fun with mining.
i was considering a cutter but i don't want to spend money to build a miner ship that can be blow up from pirates.
I took a Federal Corvette in Hazardous Resource extraction site in an icy ring, ready to do laser mining and shoot pirates, after about 50km from center the pirates stopped spawning, also couldn't find any asteroids with high value diamonds. My suggestion for you is to go into a hotspot recommended by edtools.cc/miner website, wait for the pirates that spawn in to scan you which will ignore you if you don't carry anything else but limpets and proceed to mining high valued minerals. Once you have enough credits, build a dedicated combat ship then go to combat zones, hazardous sites, compromised navigation beacons or pirate activity signal sources or even thargoids for your combat needs
The Cutter is the worst next to the Vette and Annie - you cannot "dance" a Cutter inside rocks like you do with a Annie and especially with the Vette. And Both Annie and Vette have much, much better hard points, with better weapons. Is not about tanking but about killing fast the Pirates and resuming the mining, if you take too long killing them they will grow in numbers over you, and you only can tank until a point, after that, you must boost away or get a rebuy screen.Def Cutter. Big shield, gimballed beams, mining eqpt.
I usually do all my mining in unshielded T-9s with heatsinks as weapons.The Cutter is the worst next to the Vette and Annie - you cannot "dance" a Cutter inside rocks like you do with a Annie and especially with the Vette. And Both Annie and Vette have much, much better hard points, with better weapons. Is not about tanking but about killing fast the Pirates and resuming the mining, if you take too long killing them they will grow in numbers over you, and you only can tank until a point, after that, you must boost away or get a rebuy screen.
Except you can build a Annie or better, a Vette, and kill them then resume the mining, The boost on frags is so great - is worth the effort. Is the opposite of mining in wilderness, alone, when you can watch a movie and do the mining. It Is a stressful ambient, indeed, but also a lot of fun, with tons of adrenaline.You chose the wrong method I'm afraidBy the way in Haz RES the boost in mineral percentage is significant, just stay 12/14 kilometers from the Hotspot center, you'll see much less Pirates that way, if they show up boost away and then get back to your business.
The builds for efficient mining in ResH are different, you need to achieve the best balance between fast mining + good defense + fast killing, in a place where you have big rocks all around at 500-1000m. - and be aware you can get swarmed by 3-5-10 Pirates in the same time, if you take too long to pop them. Remember, you are the "honey pot" there, especially when you have 100-200 tones of Tritium, Platinum, etc in your belly.I usually do all my mining in unshielded T-9s with heatsinks as weapons.
So Yeh, my opinion probably not valid.
Rocks.... AND Pirates. The mix of those will give a hard time to the Cutter - awfully hardpoints location, compared with Annie and Vette, and worst maneuverability , also. You will tank, obvious, more, but you will take a lot more hits ( and that you only tank up to a point ! ) because you cannot turn enough fast or aim at the attackers swarming you from all directions. And you cannot boost away inside a dense rocky field. You end-up loosing shields and getting swarmed by more and more pirates.When it comes to mining itself I did mine for tidy sum when core mining void opals was still a thing, and with well shielded Cutter rocks were not a problem at all.
That may be problem while mining. But in bounty hunting at haz res I have found my Cutter to be adequate. No problem taking down wings of pirates.Rocks.... AND Pirates. The mix of those will give a hard time to the Cutter - awfully hardpoints location, compared with Annie and Vette, and worst maneuverability , also. You will tank, obvious, more, but you will take a lot more hits ( and that you only tank up to a point ! ) because you cannot turn enough fast or aim at the attackers swarming you from all directions. And you cannot boost away inside a dense rocky field. You end-up loosing shields and getting swarmed by more and more pirates.
Sure, is much better than a T10, but the Annie and especially the Vette are far more adequate to survive in such harsh conditions.
I tried all of them, trust me, with all kind of builds.
Nobody argue about that, killing Pirates when you have a build for that - but when you go mining, that build goes away.... reason why I said the build for EFFICIENT mining & fighting is peculiar, and one must achieve the perfect balance between firepower, defense, AND fast , efficient mining.That may be problem while mining. But in bounty hunting at haz res I have found my Cutter to be adequate. No problem taking down wings of pirates.
You can do the same while you do the mining. I keep the "wanted" scanner in all my miners ( Annie and Vette), and hell, I do massacre missions while I do the mining.Only thing I would mine in haz res is bounties. They are plentifull.
Well my ship when I rig it for mining has same huge shield gen anyways. It was made to be jack of all trades PVE ship. I have not built it for pure combat, usually shields keep NPC's from damaging it. For example it always has limpet controller because, well I usually collect mats from bounties too. Normally also SRV-hangar, additional fuel tank and so on, those I ditch while mining. About only major difference is in hardpoints, though biggest ones always have weapons. But yeah I would not mine with it in haz res, as place begins to look like shark tank at feeding time as soon as you have something valuable in hold.Nobody argue about that, killing Pirates when you have a build for that - but when you go mining, that build goes away.... reason why I said the build for EFFICIENT mining & fighting is peculiar, and one must achieve the perfect balance between firepower, defense, AND fast , efficient mining.
Unfortunately, the Mighty Cutter, who is indeed THE best miner in soft places ( alone in a hotspot) is not the same when confronted with the constant pressure of fighting ... AND mining. All those things who make a Cutter great at fighting are severely reduced by mining equipment ( lower shield, 3 hardpoints dead since you put there mining tools, 6 internals out since you put there rafinery, prospectors, limpets, surface scanner, etc - all this greatly reduce the Cutter fighting ability.
On the other hand, the Vette will keep the big shield intact ( advantages of 2 class 7 comp. ! ) , will still have the 2 HUGE hardpoints free to pop any Pirate very fast, and is far more nimble inside asteroid fields, with a much better ability to deliver great deal of damage because that perfect location of those hard points.
Same advantages for the Annie, except she will carry less cargo ( 256 tones vs + 320 in the Vette). But the Annie will do the job almost like the Vette. Not far behind.
You see, my friend, fast mining means 3 class II mining lasers ( or 2 class II and 2 class I ) AND 3 limpets for each of them = 3 x class V controller limpets.Well my ship when I rig it for mining has same huge shield gen anyways. It was made to be jack of all trades PVE ship. I have not built it for pure combat, usually shields keep NPC's from damaging it. For example it always has limpet controller because, well I usually collect mats from bounties too. Normally also SRV-hangar, additional fuel tank and so on, those I ditch while mining. About only major difference is in hardpoints, though biggest ones always have weapons. But yeah I would not mine with it in haz res, as place begins to look like shark tank at feeding time as soon as you have something valuable in hold.