What ships can defeat what?
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It can. A 4APD has 32MJ. Your weapons have 35. So you fire the big one and a small one wait 3s and then hit it again.
If he can shoot at you there's no way you're going to win it. As I said. If the pilot is good with it he's going to win it every time. Considering different loadouts for the DBX only makes sense if he got close a few times.
Yep, ok well i'll figure something out
Jimmy its going to break down to a few things.
FDL is built around a certain purpose over all...it can do other things but its really good at one thing...as a ship
your ship is really good at longer jumps but a bit weaker in the fight dept...though I have seen one ram a FDL and win...in other words his ship held and the fdl didn't. but I don't know the actual build of either ship.
the biggest thing is...a guy can have the best rated FDL and still loose to an inferior ship because it is flown by a superior pilot.
it will boil down to the skill...how well you use the energy and movement axes of your ship verus how well the other guy does...his ship will be his edge plus pilot....yours will be pilot. I knkow its a vague answer but in a furball...cant give just a straight answer...depending on his loadout...stay under and behind him...if hes turrented...not gonna do a lot unless you have chaff that will help...but the FDL is a combat ship first and if someone builds it along that line...its going to have an edge. it will definitely be able to deliver a bigger whollop.
Yea and with the handling comparison between the FDL and DBX, there is no way he is not going to shoot you.
The folks saying "it's the skill the matters" are all bein' pretty willfully ignorant of how much ship performance affects the relative skill values needed for success. In this instance, if you and the Fer-de-Loser were both, say, a 5 in pilot skills, the difference in ship performance in combat would reduce your effective skilled level to around 2 while increasing the FdL pilot's to around 8. Or, to put another way, if you were going to win, you'd have to so eclipse the other pilot's skill that you'd be effectively partaking in seal clubbing yourself.
The DBX is not suited to fighting an FdL, it doesn't have the speed or maneuverability to keep pressure on it while avoiding its firepower (which is easily double yours), nor the survivability to weather its firepower when it does bring its weapons to bear. Whether or not you as a pilot have that ability relative to the FdL pilot is a different story, but you're 5/0 in the FdL's favor and that's looking unlikely. This isn't a dig, you're just playing out David vs Goliath sans divine intervention.
So options! Firstly, there's no way in hell the FdL can beat your jump range so head for a new system. Secondly, there's always a temporary jump to Solo mode to get something done in peace before heading back to space-gankers online. Third, there are a lot of ships out there, many of them a better matchup for the FdL (though you'll be hard pressed to find an iWin option).
The DBX is not suited to fighting an FdL, it doesn't have the speed or maneuverability to keep pressure on it while avoiding its firepower (which is easily double yours), nor the survivability to weather its firepower when it does bring its weapons to bear. Whether or not you as a pilot have that ability relative to the FdL pilot is a different story, but you're 5/0 in the FdL's favor and that's looking unlikely. This isn't a dig, you're just playing out David vs Goliath sans divine intervention.
So options! Firstly, there's no way in hell the FdL can beat your jump range so head for a new system. Secondly, there's always a temporary jump to Solo mode to get something done in peace before heading back to space-gankers online. Third, there are a lot of ships out there, many of them a better matchup for the FdL (though you'll be hard pressed to find an iWin option).
Aren't you just saying you're a better pilot.
A better test would be either of you guys in a Viper or DBE and me, who is a terrible pilot, in the FDL.
The way to defeat an experienced FDL pilot that is bully/stalking you;
Squawk for help, and wing up with a Fed Gunship, or 2. Have them navlock you and wander in the area around you- be bait.
Community of open gaming players works both ways, afterall.
As a rather good FDL pilot myself, Its a sad state of affairs (but great for me) that; If I cannot obliterate it, I can outrun it.
Thus the only thing that could really kill me is just such a surprise reinforcement ambush
Squawk for help, and wing up with a Fed Gunship, or 2. Have them navlock you and wander in the area around you- be bait.
Community of open gaming players works both ways, afterall.
As a rather good FDL pilot myself, Its a sad state of affairs (but great for me) that; If I cannot obliterate it, I can outrun it.
Thus the only thing that could really kill me is just such a surprise reinforcement ambush
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No, I'm not saying I'm a better pilot. Pilot skill is a huge factor in combat, of course. But the ship does matter quite a lot too, in many cases.
If it didn't, why do you think we're spending $50-100 Million credits on more powerful combat ships?
Certainly an Elite CMDR in a Viper stands a good chance against someone flying around in a TradeConda who thinks flying backwards is a great tactic. But that's sort of an extreme example of "pro vs clueless". Given 2 pilots that actually know what they're doing, a large gap between ship capabilities throws a notable advantage to the one with the better ship.
Again, I'm not saying skill doesn't matter. It does. But the OP's question was how to take on an FDL in his DB, after losing 5 straight battles. The answer is that even if he's a good pilot, he's also possibly out of his weight class... because the FDL pilot might be a good pilot too.
Thanks for the tips and input guys. Considering what you have said, factors like I am 15.60MW out of 15.60MW (What is PA btw?), that his rating is Master and i'm novice. The manouvers he pulls I would assume he is flying FAff also it does not last very long. Again running off does not help either as he can shoot out certain modules too. I'd buy a new ship but after losing twice last night I lost more money than I made again so I'm back to square one on that. I tried the ramming route and after several hits his shields still didn't budge so ye I still need to find another way. I have a couple of ideas left but in the end I'll just have to go it solo for now and try to make up for the losses. Was interesting reading your posts though and food for thought aswell.
Cheers,
Hj
ff also it does not last very long. Again running off does not help either as he can shoot out certain modules too. I'd buy a new ship but after losing twice last night I lost more money than I made again so I'm back to square one on that. I tried the ramming route and after several hits his shields still didn't budge so ye I still need to find another way. I have a couple of ideas left but in the end I'll just have to go it solo for now and try to make up for the losses. Was interesting reading your posts though and food for thought aswell.Cheers,
Hj
Pretty sure my FDL is faster than my courier. The courier's shields are very good, but the FDL's are better. You are left with size and agility. And inferior weapons. That is still a very tough fight.
Buy a DBS its a vastly better ship.
I'm usually kicking about Winter's area of course but I can get most places in the DBX, i'll be on tonight after I fly back home so i'll check back on here and see where you're at =)