What to do with packhounds?

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Yes I have 300 million as of now, an A rated modded Python which is my main ship, A rated Clipper, A rated Cutter (still working on it) and other ships. Logistics and money is not a problem at the moment.
 
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Always use high capacity as at G5 level you get pretty much double ammo. Specials are up to you (i use Drag and Thermal). Use them to obliterate modules on ships when their shields are down (very effective against hull tankers as you can knock out their guns and drives).

Although knocking out their drives means a hull tanky ship it will need chaseing for 50km from the drop point as they seem to be-able to move faster than when they had drives. But even seekers so packs are more effective at taking out that annoying railgun or PA to make the ship just useless and just counting down their demise.
 
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Although knocking out their drives means a hull tanky ship it will need chaseing for 50km from the drop point as they seem to be-able to move faster than when they had drives. But even seekers so packs are more effective at taking out that annoying railgun or PA to make the ship just useless and just counting down their demise.
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Note there that the whole "packhounds kill weapons" is a bit of a bias. In the last beta we did plenty of testing there, and since missiles are not being changed, the results are still true: for the tast of destroying weapons on ships, seekers and packhounds performed very similar. For the first 18 seconds, which is 6 volleys of the seekers, both the direct damage potential as well as weapon damage is very similar. Packhounds have a small advantage, but it's not really significant. Only after 18 seconds packhounds really pull ahead. Seekers can fire one missile each three seconds till they have to reload, while packhounds right from the start go through the cycle of 1.5 seconds of fire-phase followed by 3 seconds of reload phase. So when the seekers get into their 12 seconds of reload time, packhounds keep firing. That is where their actual damage advantage comes from.
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So in terms of actual hull damage, packhounds are at a significant advantage due to better handling of reload time. But you don't need that many missiles to disarm a ship. On a FAS (one of the prefered testbeds) three seeker hits turned out to be enough to bring all weapons into malfunction state, while utilities failed even earlier.
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So the last potential difference are counter-measures. There are two things to look at, ECM and point defense. For ECM, even two of them are not sufficient to significally reduce a missile carriers damage output. It might be possible to counter torpedoes, but either missile launcher fires too fast and too often to allow ECM to really matter. But also note, due to the "fire/reload cycle" of packhounds" and their longer flight time (seekers fly direct and have slightly faster speed, packhounds fly a little slower and waste time by tumbling around), ECM actually is a little more effective against packhounds than against seekers.
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More interesting is point defense: when the attacker has only one launcher while the target has two PDS, then seekers roughly have a 50% chance to hit the target. Packhounds reliably deliver damage to the target in this scenario, but several of them are being shot down. It was hard to determine the exact number of packhounds destroyed, but it felt like of a salvo of 12, 4 to 6 missiles were destroyed, so 50% to 60% of the damage reached the target. When two launchers were in use, seekers rarely even lost one missile of the salvo. (The two PDS often seemed to target different missiles and failed to destroy even one before they impacted. ) Packhounds still seemed to have lost 4 to 6 missiles, no matter if 12 or 24 were fired. So if you have just one launcher and the target packs two PDS, packhounds probably are the better choice, but if you carry two missile launchers you might prefer regular seekers. It's also important to note that these numbers are based on tests with both ships being stationary and the missiles always being fired from a position where they were within the PDS firing arc all of the time. Range and speed differences, as well as the firing arc of PDS (which differs from ship to ship and even from utility slot to utility slot) can push these numbers in either direction, but the general weighting should stay similar.
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Mind you, this last two paragraphs were all about counter-measures. In terms of raw hull damage done the packhounds still win. It's just good to know that this is really not because they would be better in destroying weapons and external module and it's not because of being much better in overwhelming defense. They simply are vastly superior as they just can keep firing constantly, while seekers have a painfully long reload time. But if your goal is "simply" to disarm a ship once its shields go down, for many defensive configurations the seeker might actually be the better choice.
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That all being said, packhounds are way more fun to fire, both since they are reliable (no reload pause) as well as the tumbling swarm is just more fun to watch. So i admit, i stick to them, as the few configurations and combinations where they might be at a small disadvantage are rare, while their advantages come into play very often. :)
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High capacity mag and drag or overload munitions. They are great for knocking out drives or killing hard points (in a face tanking situation you can destroy all your opponents weapons leaving them defenseless). I also find them good for taking out small agile ships such as iCouriers.
 
if you gonna use 4 on the FDL, put them per 2 in a firegroup and switch when they need to reload.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH-a0qKmOzw

Oooh, I might try a variant on this with my 4-packhound Cutter...maybe that will finally cure my heat woes! I might even hang onto dirty drives as opposed to clean....

Just some questions for those that unlocked it, playing the game since day one but never got into Powerplay, so what do I need to do to get those packhounds? I know you have to stay 4 weeks with that faction and get a certain rank/merits, but how does the player experience change aside from being Hostile to everyone else? Can you play the same way and get those merits by doing simple missions like trading and such in the main system? Or do you need to do things you don't want to do? (illegal stuff, war zones, etc)
I want those packhounds because they just look awesome but one month of play time is too much if it will be a pain in the *** to get that thing only.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteSirius/comments/3uvk73/a_guide_for_beginners_getting_started_with_li/
 
There is only one thing better than packhounds... MOARRR PACKHOUNDS!!

I just got access to packhounds a few days ago, and stuck 7 of them on my cutter to take for engineering (wasn't sure I could buy them at the engi base).

On the way home after engineering them with a mix of grade 4+5 rapid fire and high capacity, all with speial effects, I was interdicted by a deadly bounty hunter in a FDL. Now I had put the 3 rapid fire and 4 hi cap missiles in seperate fire groups as I didn't know if Id fry if I launched all 7 at once!

It was totally hilarious - that FDL never made it through the cloud of smoke and explosions! Wish I could have video'd it! And it was dead so fast! The heat was not too bad - think it got up just over 110% while I was spamming them but it was so worth it!

I engineered about 10 packhounds to split up among various ships but I think I might just keep them all on the cutter and engineer a few more. Definitely one of my favourite weapons after today!

I should add this is in PVE, it would be interesting to see if it would be effective in PVP.
 
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