Newcomer / Intro What to do?

DogsBody

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Speed doesn't appear to be relevant when scooping from a star, other than it helping to make it easier to get away from possible interdiction threats. Therefore, when away from the bubble and scooping, you can slowly fly straight towards the centre of the star and when your fuel scoop hits its maximum rate, or your temperature gets as high as you feel safe letting it go, you can reduce throttle to zero and sit there as long as it takes to fill the tank. You don't even need to keep pointed at the star once you've set the throttle to zero.

No need to be constantly circling around the star, skimming the corona...
 

Rob_the_Sparky

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Scooping technique depends on several factors but agreed speed is not relevant. Fast scooping does not allow you to scan the star but does result in a shorter time spent in system. Aiming at the star allows you scan the start and look at the system map with time to spare. However, how long the scooping takes is also relevant. To me fast scooping only really makes sense if you can fill the tanks in a few seconds I.e. you have a big scoop relative to your tank size/fuel use. I don't think one technice is right and one wrong...
 

Gavin Burke

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Rob_the_Sparky said:
I'd say give it a go. You will learn quickly why you need certain things (like a good fuel scoop and scanners) but until you try a long journey there is no point trying to tell you how big the galaxy is. FYI I went to Jaques in a 20ly jump ship. 22,000lys so well over 1000 jumps. The fastest I could do a jump (no scanning other than a quick honk) was 1 minute. I.e. 1000 minutes of play time (~16.7hours) just to travel that far with no scanning. If you stop to scan then you are looking at many multiples of that.
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Hence, I would recommend you pick a random direction and just go on a trip to see how it suits you before committing to a long run out into the void. Ideally get an Asp X with an engineered drive if you want to go a long way but that would require a significantly larger budget than you currently have.
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I am about to do this with a kitted out Hauler, quick and possibly stupid question; once I get to as far as I want to go, do I then have to spend the same time coming all the way back?
I guess there's no magical way back and I need to get to a station to then profit right?
And without dying else I lose my scanned data?
 

Rob_the_Sparky

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More or less correct. You can choose not to scan on the way back to make the return trip much faster. I.e. just honk the scanner while scooping but not stopping for surface scans (unless you find something worth scanning).
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P.S. the tricky bit in a Hauler in not dying.
 
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Gator Country

Gator Country
Gavin Burke said:
If I die is all the hard work lost?
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Yes it is. Just like cargo and unclaimed bounty vouchers, exploration data is lost if you die before turning it in. From reading the seasoned explorers' posts, the most perilous time for you will be returning to civilzation with all of your data.
 

Rob_the_Sparky

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I'm not saying don't try it, I have in a Hauler. Trouble is that if you do get interdicted then you need to be good at evading or escaping interdictions as it can't fight (well not much), it is slow and weakly armoured. Great budget explorer but vulnerable. Having said that I have used them many times as a taxis and only ever lost one.
 

Gavin Burke

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Touchwood said:
How much do I need to outfit the Cobra as well as possible for the task (or at least pretty well, if not the absolute dog's bo**ocls)
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So I took the explorers plunge last night and set out in a Hauler that kitted out cost me only 2mil credits, 1.5mil of those being the Adavanced Scanner. I have an A rated FSD of course, but only a 3C fuel scoop as that has been plenty (I did have a 3B to start but swapped at a station on my way out when seeing I scooped so quickly) and I now do "economical" jumps after doing fast jumps to around 300LY from the edge of the bubble so only use a tiny bit of fuel per jump, and already finding unique systems and/or planets this close to bubble:

https://coriolis.io/outfit/hauler/0p3t3F0l3d3s3f2---2v3u2i2f.Iw19A===.Aw19A===

The fuel scooping isn't that slow, I enter a system, slam on brakes to scan star, perform advanced scan, target the closest planet (or next system if none or none close enough for me ~500LS) then speed up towards the sun, slow down and turn out towards target when scooping starts and scooping finishes a few seconds later with me lined up with my target
 
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Crumb

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Touchwood said:
Not sure of the reasoning here - is it not the case that the cheaper scoops are just slower? In which case - I'm in no rush! Or is there something else?
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I went off for a long stint in deep space a few years ago, and I would definitely recommend the larger fuel scoop. The further away you get, the deeper you go, and the more data you collect, you'll want to take as many precautions as possible against damaging your ship. A larger fuel scoop means way less time spent surfing radiation waves. Exploring is great and it will test your sanity. The best bit was coming home and nervously watching the scanner each time I entered a system where pirates could be laying in wait. Any time I saw a hollow rectangle, I made a run for it. That data you collect is going to feel like lead-weight in your hold as you're limping back to cash it all in...:D
 

Gavin Burke

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Crumb said:
I went off for a long stint in deep space a few years ago, and I would definitely recommend the larger fuel scoop. The further away you get, the deeper you go, and the more data you collect, you'll want to take as many precautions as possible against damaging your ship. A larger fuel scoop means way less time spent surfing radiation waves. Exploring is great and it will test your sanity. The best bit was coming home and nervously watching the scanner each time I entered a system where pirates could be laying in wait. Any time I saw a hollow rectangle, I made a run for it. That data you collect is going to feel like lead-weight in your hold as you're limping back to cash it all in...:D
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Yeh I've done a few dozen of scans now, quite a bit not yet discovered, so I'm eagerly and nervously awaiting getting this data back to get the "Discovered by Burke By Nature" tags :D

Suppose I'll have to then fly back out to see it again...
 

flummer7

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As previos posters stated, speed do not affect how fast you scoop. But speed is kinda relevant anyway !

Speed matters indirectly, because the closer you are to the star the faster you will scoop. When your scoop first activates you are at max range of your scoop and it scoops slow. Then you start flying closer to the star. The closer you get to the star the faster you will scoop. So while flying closer to the star then speed actually matters a lot. Because the faster you fly closer to the star, the closer you get per second and thus the rate you scoop also rises faster. Likewise if you fly slowly closer to the star the scoop speed will also rise more slowly. But whenever you cut the speed to 0 you will sccop at exactly the same speed as before you cut the speed. Because it is not the speed itself but the fact you are now closer to the star that makes you scoop faster.

I do hope that made sense :)

The thing is with a big scoop you can simply set speed to max and then fly in circles near the stars corona and you will fill your tank so fast you will not over heat before the tank is full. Do not do this with a slow scoop because then you will overheat way sooner than you tank is full. So how close you fly to the star is the key. Once you get to a good distance, depending on the speed of your scoop you can cut speed to 0 and scoop until the tank is full and not overheat in the process.
 
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Rob_the_Sparky

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Overheating is not always a problem, it depends on your ship build and power consumption. With most stuff off I can park my Anaconda at max scoop rate and not overheat but in my Courier I overheat LONG before it get close to max scoop rate.
 

Mysturji

Mysturji
Touchwood said:
I'm going exploring in my Cobra - but before I outfit it and take the plunge I have a question.

How much do I need to outfit the Cobra as well as possible for the task (or at least pretty well, if not the absolute dog's bo**ocls)

My total assets are about 11.3 M CR, of which 6 M CR are cash, the rest my Cobra and an Eagle. I'm happy to sell the Eagle, but, before I do, if I need more cash my preferred method of making it is in the Eagle at RES sites, picking up bounties on wanted NPCs.

I know I could use one of the excellent web sites there are to work it all out for myself, but I prefer to ask advice from you excellent people as I'd sooner be playing the game than messing about with web sites over much.
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This should do it. :)
https://coriolis.io/outfit/cobra_mk...---0200320n43v62i2f.Iw18AzFxA===.Aw18EzAjCQ==
 
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