what with all the realism resitrction?

[UniverseIsFlat]

Is elite dangerous meant to simulate real life? And why cant you have weapons like in star trek, star wars just weapons that are just fiction? Why do you want to limit technology base on if its possible or not?

You wont be able to go to lightspeed under Einstein theory but the game made it possible.
And you wont be able to hyperjump or bend spend time.
And there is no such thing as an invisible plasma shield.
Even the weapons like energy weapon is all impossible.

All these sci fic technology and weapons all break the rule of the natural law.

This is why you cant go faster then the speed of light:
As the speed of the object increases and starts to reach appreciable fractions of the speed of light, the portion of energy going into making the object more massive gets bigger and bigger. Nothing can travel faster than light – at or near light speed, any extra energy you put into an object does not make it move faster but just increases its mass. Mass and energy are the same thing.

Nothing goes faster then the speed of light

You don't have to try to simulate reality for weapons and technology cause its a game where you can imagine and have fun that is why sci fic films and so fun to watch. Do you want to take away all the nice weapons and technology of star wars, star trek and all the nice sci fic games and base it all on how reality works? Majority would not want it.

So trying to say tractor beams just cant be in the game cause its not realistic enough needs to be change. Please allow the tractor beam if it means its going to make the game more enjoyable.

Take away these unfair restrictions so the game can be more enjoyable having sci fic weapons and technology just like in sci fic movies. Again you already have sci fic technology in the game so the rules of being real has already been broken.

Anyway if the game is not base on trying to simulate weapons that can exist in real life then pls correct me. But some post just reads like that like with the ideas of a energy weapon that can create a black hole or cause a planet to turn into a black hole. Star trek did it so why cant elite? Why are users talking like this when elite it self just cannot happen?

The game is not called Realistic Space ship simulation. Everything is fictional so keep it that way. There can be some realistic things but only if its going to add interest to the game.

Its a game in a fictional time and place after all.

 

[UniverseIsFlat]

Then star trek and star war and all the sci fic games with imagination weapons and technology is just all insane then.

It will never happen CMDR i hate to break the news to you. Not even Einstein will agree with you. Nothing can travel faster then speed of light and you cannot bend spend and time period. Its nice to see it in movies but its not a reality if you want to talk reality.

And with that warp drive it has many problems with it and google explains it.

From a theoretical cosmologist specializing in dark energy and general relativity this is what he has to say.

The Alcubierre warp drive is a very interesting arena for thought experiments to try to better understand general relativity and quantum field theory, but it should give you zero hope for actually building a spaceship some day. Some of the many problems are discussed on Wikipedia:


In short, it requires negative energy densities, which can't be strictly disproven but are probably unrealistic; the total amount of energy is likely to be equivalent to the mass-energy of an astrophysical body; and the gravitational fields produced would likely rip any ship to shreds. My personal estimate of the likelihood we will ever be able to build a "warp drive" is much less than 1%. And the chances it will happen in the next hundred years I would put at less than 0.01%.
But they are very pretty pictures! Would look great in a movie.

the current cost of producing 1 gram of antimatter is about $100 trillion. But, with completely unsupported optimistic estimates, you might get that down to $10 billion per gram. So, with the most wild-eyed pie-in-the-sky estimates, fuel alone will cost you $3.5 quadrillion — roughly the entire economic output of the world for forty years. Good luck with the Kickstarter!


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Where are you going to find this antimatter material and harvest it?
We cant even understand dark matter or even capturing it.
We dont even understand the works of the black hole.
We dont understand all the mechanics of the universe its a massive enigma.

So if weapons like creating a black hole is just crazy then we are all crazy then making games like sci fiction and wanting to fly to distant galaxies and meet different races and able to manipulate space and time at will.

But again that is why its interesting cause we can imagine the impossible.

More reasons why it cant work
where I can get some negative mass? Didn’t think so. Negative mass, which is fundamentally different than anti-matter, would experience gravity as a repulsive force. Too bad nobody has ever discovered any negative mass floating around out there or made any substantial amount it. You can make really tiny amounts of negative mass/energy for very short periods of time in the lab, by “borrowing energy from the uncertainty principle,” but it’s not clear this could be scaled up to the macroscopic level like it would need to be to create a useful warp bubble.


It’s probably best negative mass doesn’t exist, because it’s incredibly creepy! For example, imagine you had a chunk of normal mass and a chunk of negative mass in space. The negative mass would fall towards the regular mass, but at the same time create “repulsive gravity” which would then push the normal mass away. Lather, rinse, repeat, and you could theoretically accelerate those two chunks off into the stars forever. This smells suspiciously like perpetual motion, and would break the well established principle of conservation of energy. Given that, it’s understandable that we’re not packing the SPF 5000 for our super fast trip to Alpha Centauri.

 

[Tryst]

May I bring to your attention:
http://news.discovery.com/space/pri...pace-engine-may-actually-work-nasa-140802.htm

There are things that are just theory, things that have a basis in fact and there are those that are pure fantasy. A plasma shield could be possible in theory but just like the warp engine, it needs a lot of research to either prove or disprove the theories. When you bend the rules slightly, things may happen that are not expected which is why things like the warp engine linked above may be a possibility.

Other scientists are working on the possibility of deflector shields.
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...make-star-wars-deflector-shields-in-real-life

 

[Rekal]

Is elite dangerous meant to simulate real life?

Nope, it's meant to simulate real life in 3301. All sorts of things that theoretically could be possible.

You wont be able to go to lightspeed under Einstein theory but the game made it possible.

You pointed out the Alcubierre drive and you're right, some form of exotic matter would be required and it's unlikely to be an effective mode of transportation because of the massive radiation bleed off that occurs theoretically when you try to stop.

Elite doesn't use a Alcubierre drive though, it's a Frame Shift Drive, based on the gravitational effect called Frame Dragging. According to the theory spacetime is elastic and mass bends spacetime. If you bend spacetime with enough mass, two points become closer, and because spacetime is elastic when you remove the mass spacetime rebounds and the two points return to their normal distance.

At first I thought there might be some black hole craziness involved, but you can't create matter out of nothing to get the mass needed. Then I remembered you can create mass by spinning an object. So the idea is the Frame Shift Drive is quite literally spooling up when it charges. Maybe that last 4 second count down where you have no control is because your ship has become so massive that the thrusters couldn't effect it anyway? It also explains why other ships can mass lock you, basically bending spacetime enough that your ship cannot quickly calculate the energies required to safely begin traveling.

And you wont be able to hyperjump or bend spend time.

This one is fun, and it's the only one that really breaks away from modern theories and into true SciFi...but not too far. The Large Hadron Collider is currently getting worked back up for a new round of testing. The Rainbow Gravity Theory will be one of the theories being tested. What it boils down to is they will be able to prove parallel universes exist.

In our universe, one of the apparent fundamental laws is that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light and only light can travel at the speed of light. If other dimensions are proven and travel to another dimension is possible--even safe for short durations--wouldn't finding a parallel universe with an apparent fundamental law that states matter must travel faster than the speed of light be possible?

Like I said, dipping into the SciFi a bit, but it's also a game play concession, no one wants to fly 90 minutes to Hutton Orbital which is 0.23Ly from its primary, who would want to supercruise 30Ly?

And there is no such thing as an invisible plasma shield.

Tryst already pointed out the deflector shields in the previous post.

Even the weapons like energy weapon is all impossible.

Not only are energy weapons possible they already exist. May I present US Navy's energy weapon demonstration video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REHt44BuASk

I'm all for a larger variety of weapons, but I do want them to stay within the realm of possibilities. A black hole gun is just not possible. Different ammo types for projectile weapons that deal different types of damage? Possible. Different radiation types for energy weapons that deal different types of damage? Possible. Larger variety of missiles? Possible. Decoys? Drones? ECM Platforms? Possible. Tractor beams? They've actually made one already, it's not practical or useful, and it's very unlikely it will ever become useful so not possible.

Let's keep it real

 

[Marasmusine]

Many hard science-fiction novels allow one or two physics-breaking technologies ("enabling devices") to allow the narrative to take place. Just because we indulge in FTL in order to enable the game concept, doesn't mean that it's a free-for-all of "science fantasy" tech.

 

[Magic Man]

3301 physics may be a total re-write of 2015 physics. No physics is being broken unless someone from 3301 is able to come back and let us know.

 

[LCplCombat]

Its a game

 

[Hexicube]

Is elite dangerous meant to simulate real life? And why cant you have weapons like in star trek, star wars just weapons that are just fiction? Why do you want to limit technology base on if its possible or not?

You wont be able to go to lightspeed under Einstein theory but the game made it possible.
And you wont be able to hyperjump or bend spend time.
And there is no such thing as an invisible plasma shield.
Even the weapons like energy weapon is all impossible.

All these sci fic technology and weapons all break the rule of the natural law.

This is why you cant go faster then the speed of light:
As the speed of the object increases and starts to reach appreciable fractions of the speed of light, the portion of energy going into making the object more massive gets bigger and bigger. Nothing can travel faster than light – at or near light speed, any extra energy you put into an object does not make it move faster but just increases its mass. Mass and energy are the same thing.

Nothing goes faster then the speed of light

You don't have to try to simulate reality for weapons and technology cause its a game where you can imagine and have fun that is why sci fic films and so fun to watch. Do you want to take away all the nice weapons and technology of star wars, star trek and all the nice sci fic games and base it all on how reality works? Majority would not want it.

So trying to say tractor beams just cant be in the game cause its not realistic enough needs to be change. Please allow the tractor beam if it means its going to make the game more enjoyable.

Take away these unfair restrictions so the game can be more enjoyable having sci fic weapons and technology just like in sci fic movies. Again you already have sci fic technology in the game so the rules of being real has already been broken.

Anyway if the game is not base on trying to simulate weapons that can exist in real life then pls correct me. But some post just reads like that like with the ideas of a energy weapon that can create a black hole or cause a planet to turn into a black hole. Star trek did it so why cant elite? Why are users talking like this when elite it self just cannot happen?

The game is not called Realistic Space ship simulation. Everything is fictional so keep it that way. There can be some realistic things but only if its going to add interest to the game.

Its a game in a fictional time and place after all.

Let's see here...

Strictly speaking, you in fact aren't going past light speed. As mentioned in another post, you're in fact bending space-time. Funnily enough, the same thing happens with black holes, even though light travels at the speed of light it cannot escape if it's past the event horizon of a black hole, because of the massive space warping the black hole exerts.

Gravity and rotation bend space time, the FSD spools up, 2+2.

Invisible plasma shields are probably the least realistic thing in the game, however it's quite possible to make visible plasma shields.

Energy weapons exist today and are used for a variety of things. It's basically a laser pointer but super-powered, currently we have laser pointers capable of starting fires, pretty sure after 1000 years of development they'd easily be able to melt metal.

Once again, not exceeding light speed, warping space instead. Also, mass and energy are NOT the same thing, if a super large object is not moving it has no energy, if it is moving it has energy proportional to the mass and speed. This is a basic law of mechanics, energy = speed * mass.

Star Trek and other sci-fi stuff are considered soft sci-fi, where things are able to leave reality quite a lot. Elite Dangerous is hard sci-fi, where everything pretty much makes sense under our current laws and theories, with the odd concession.

Tractor Beams have actually been dismissed, however collection probes could happen. It's almost functionally identical, and doesn't break the setting.

You can't create a black hole, you require matter. In the hadron collider black holes were created (for insanely short periods of time) because the particles that collided were the matter. Also, the energy required to turn a star into a black hole would be ridiculous, you're talking about enough force to get past the force of the star expanding because of the heat and fusion at the core which usually is balanced with the gravity it exerts on itself.

Almost everything in Elite Dangerous is not fictional. The only three things that are fictional are energy shields (likely a plasma field contained by electromagnetic force), FSDs (the drive warps space time), and being able to track other people who are in hyperspace (I actually don't have anything for this one).

It's a game in a fictional time, not a fictional place. Last I checked the milky way exists.


Adding tractor beams and black hole guns like you've suggested take the game from "real enough" to "this is clearly sci-fi", which a lot of people (myself included) don't want. Feel free to make a poll to validate my statement if you want.

Removing the FSD would make the game unplayable (enjoy taking literally years to go to another system), removing shields would make the game unplayable (enjoy malfunctions and repairs all the time). Those are pretty much the only concessions to realism, and they have to be there. Stop using it as an argument. The same thing happened over on space engineers because they added gravity generators which were literally the only unrealistic thing in the entire game.

 

[UniverseIsFlat]

It just a game so keep it that way.

And your possibilities are still going against what Einstein states cannot happen hex. Are you a qualified scientist?
Hyper jump are impossible and you cannot argue with the expert if you really are serious about realism, end of story.
The hyper jump you have in elite can never ever ever happen! Light speed is still slow! Do you know how long it takes for the light to travel from the sun to earth?
You also forgetting fuel so there is a lot going against you hex trying to say it possible when in reality its not.

Its a game so keep it that way.

Anything is possible in the game.

 

[Hexicube]

It just a game so keep it that way.

And your possibilities are still going against what Einstein states cannot happen hex. Are you a qualified scientist?
Hyper jump are impossible and you cannot argue with the expert if you really are serious about realism, end of story.
The hyper jump you have in elite can never ever ever happen! Light speed is still slow! Do you know how long it takes for the light to travel from the sun to earth?
You also forgetting fuel so there is a lot going against you hex trying to say it possible when in reality its not.

Its a game so keep it that way.

Anything is possible in the game.

By your logic, everything that has any sign of an unrealistic item should just go straight to being Star Trek. Film about vampires? That's unrealistic, may as well have personal shields and teleportation pads in the year 1972.

You are also not a qualified scientist. The difference between us is that I consider that some theories might actually be valid, and therefore some of the tech in E: D to be possible. In the instance of hyperspace, the mechanism behind it is somewhat trivial, it just takes a lot of power. I'm sure if we ever work out how to make fusion reactors that they'd provide a fair bit of power for that drive, which after over 1000 years just might happen. Also, I do know how long it takes for light to reach us from the sun, it's a tad over 8 minutes, but once again that assumes we are in fact travelling past that speed when we are actually warping space around us.

 

[Ghost1]

Its the most annoying and stupidest thing on this forums. The obsession with realism is really getting old, it could prove to ruin and block potentially good ideas. So yes. the obsession with realism has got to stop, considering we don't know how things will be that far away into our future.


Again ts Plus 1.....no plus 10000000000000

 

[Devineus]

Keybindings

Please change the key bindings to allow overlapping commands or bindings such as button a can be used to execute 3 seperate functions at once if all bound to one key, as well allow the use of multiple key combinations to perform functions such as Ctrl A or shift A ect... Would be wonderfull