What's the Size of the Thargoid Surface Site?

I tend to go along with CMDR Dreamstate that they're ships - likely ruined by mycoid from the Thargoid war. Why? well:

- The Commodities Market description of the Unknown Link says that they are found at Large Wreck sites. The Unknown Links are only found (constructed/provided) at these Thargoid sites. I contend that if they were freshly growing ships, they wouldn't be referred to as "wrecks" - this implies that they've been destroyed or damaged or, well, "wrecked" in some fashion.
- They are covered in some horrible looking corrosion that the Scavengers are interacting with - this looks like it has played a part in damaging the structures. On top of that, the outer areas of the sites are, at some of the sites, clearly broken, rather than in a more juvenile form, whereas others are more intact.
- The inactive sites have cave-ins preventing access to the central room. This is more likely to have happened in a crash, rather than as part of growth. The insides of some of the active sites don't even have doors intact around the central navigation room. I also think it's likely that this central navigation room is the bridge of the ship.

I would say from looking that these are indeed crashed ships, whether they're "motherships" or "capital ships" will be a point of contention until we actually see things of this size engaging us in battle. BUT... I wouldn't throw away the "barnacles grow into ships" theory because: beware spoilers for Elite Dangerous: Premonition

We learn in Premonition from Bill Turner that the Thargoids do indeed grow their ships and components. They have a different tech base to ours, we use inorganic matter, whereas they grow components with comparable properties. So I wouldn't be surprised if the barnacles are grown to harvest materials and elements from the ground in order to imbue whatever is inside them with specific properties - the meta alloys being one of those things - the Oresrian scout ships then come and extract meta alloys from the barnacle, but don't completely strip them (the same way you treat, for example, a basil plant).

Premonition gives us a good look at exactly what the meta alloys actually do, and why they're so valuable - you shove a chunk into a machine with a missing component and it automatically transforms itself into the component to complete the machine as if it has an innate understanding of the machine it's been put in - which would make it the prime candidate for the main fruit and purpose of the barnacles. However, the barnacles are surrounded by meta alloy spires, the same as the large wrecks, so the barnacles could indeed be juvenile scout or motherships.

HOWEVER, the large wrecks are not fresh from the barnacle.

It would also be interesting to see if the Alliance already knows about these Large Wreck Sites, since they played a massive part in the Thargoid war, and have used captured Oresrian ships for decades to reverse engineer tech from them - like the Frame Shift Drive, and MetaDrive's Wake Concealment module.
I strongly suspect the Alliance will be the source of our anti-Thargoid technology to come in 2.4.

I wonder whether, with a mass lock factor of 40, it was the scout ships that Salome, Hassan and Luko saw, or these larger "Capital ships", considering that the Cutter has a MLF of 27, and the scout ships seem to be of comparable size. Food for thought.
 
I tend to go along with CMDR Dreamstate that they're ships - likely ruined by mycoid from the Thargoid war. Why? well:

- The Commodities Market description of the Unknown Link says that they are found at Large Wreck sites. The Unknown Links are only found (constructed/provided) at these Thargoid sites. I contend that if they were freshly growing ships, they wouldn't be referred to as "wrecks" - this implies that they've been destroyed or damaged or, well, "wrecked" in some fashion.
- They are covered in some horrible looking corrosion that the Scavengers are interacting with - this looks like it has played a part in damaging the structures. On top of that, the outer areas of the sites are, at some of the sites, clearly broken, rather than in a more juvenile form, whereas others are more intact.
- The inactive sites have cave-ins preventing access to the central room. This is more likely to have happened in a crash, rather than as part of growth. The insides of some of the active sites don't even have doors intact around the central navigation room. I also think it's likely that this central navigation room is the bridge of the ship.

I would say from looking that these are indeed crashed ships, whether they're "motherships" or "capital ships" will be a point of contention until we actually see things of this size engaging us in battle. BUT... I wouldn't throw away the "barnacles grow into ships" theory because: beware spoilers for Elite Dangerous: Premonition

We learn in Premonition from Bill Turner that the Thargoids do indeed grow their ships and components. They have a different tech base to ours, we use inorganic matter, whereas they grow components with comparable properties. So I wouldn't be surprised if the barnacles are grown to harvest materials and elements from the ground in order to imbue whatever is inside them with specific properties - the meta alloys being one of those things - the Oresrian scout ships then come and extract meta alloys from the barnacle, but don't completely strip them (the same way you treat, for example, a basil plant).

Premonition gives us a good look at exactly what the meta alloys actually do, and why they're so valuable - you shove a chunk into a machine with a missing component and it automatically transforms itself into the component to complete the machine as if it has an innate understanding of the machine it's been put in - which would make it the prime candidate for the main fruit and purpose of the barnacles. However, the barnacles are surrounded by meta alloy spires, the same as the large wrecks, so the barnacles could indeed be juvenile scout or motherships.

HOWEVER, the large wrecks are not fresh from the barnacle.

It would also be interesting to see if the Alliance already knows about these Large Wreck Sites, since they played a massive part in the Thargoid war, and have used captured Oresrian ships for decades to reverse engineer tech from them - like the Frame Shift Drive, and MetaDrive's Wake Concealment module.
I strongly suspect the Alliance will be the source of our anti-Thargoid technology to come in 2.4.

I wonder whether, with a mass lock factor of 40, it was the scout ships that Salome, Hassan and Luko saw, or these larger "Capital ships", considering that the Cutter has a MLF of 27, and the scout ships seem to be of comparable size. Food for thought.

I wouldn't reject the grow site theory because of some ugly looking spots either, although I like the wreck theory. When something grows naturally, it must destroy parts of its odd grow on a regular base to make it grow correctly. When we grow, we loose Skin, hair, inner cells are replaced regulary etc... Sometimes cists, warts and Tumors grow and must be removed (that would be the scavengers Jobs?). On insects it's even worse. They molt, puppate etc... so you would not even be able to guess how they would look in their final state. And sometimes the grow Fails totally. Maybe the inactive sites are "still births".
 
Thanks. Can you add a Farragut for scale. [alien]

Wiki says this:

Farragut Dimensions: Length: 2040m, Width: 806m, Height: 300m.

Maybe someone more proficient can photoshop scaled Farragaut on my picture, but judging by the measures it goes from the center of the structure almost to the edge of pronounced black structures. Slightly less then half of the whole site.
 
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After a short reconnaissance mission yesterday I wanted to post up a conformation of a rough scale for the megastructures.

The central visible area above the surface is approximately 5km in diameter, and the cracked/effected surface area surrounding the visible area extends out another 2.5km giving a potential diameter of 10km +\- 10%.

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With recent events we have discovered that the Thargoid ships are, in fact, living beings; they posses four hearts & to destroy the ship, you must destroy the hearts.

All living things, alien or otherwise, are born or birthed somewhere - I believe that the barnacle sites are 'birthing sites' for both the Thargoid ships and the required crew to 'operate' them; the internal vents providing a terraformed ammonia rich atmosphere that the Thargoids need to survive, once the ship has 'grown' or matured enough to allow the eggs to hatch.

The interaction between the Thargoid ships and the planetary barnacle sites themselves, I think is either a case of 'activating' or 'awakening' the ships growth or perhaps more likely, feeding them - they are after all alive and all living beings require some form of sustenance to survive. A kind of 'mothers milk' if you will.

It is perhaps not too far a stretch then to theorise that, just maybe, the areas of space where all these Thargoid related discoveries have taken place are actually one giant nursery & possibly even 'sacred' to the Thargoid race. If this is the case then maybe, we the Human race are now seen as a threat and the Thargoids are trying to protect their nurseries as any creature would if they felt that their young were at risk.

What also, of the Thargoid races lifespan; did they perhaps 'seed' their nurseries millions if not, billions of years ago, before mankind had stretched themselves to the stars. Are we in fact, in essence a younger race 'invading' their territories and threatening their young maybe even their entire existence?

I also think that something worth studying is this; Thargoids seem to be an eusocial 'insectiod' race, if we look at our own eusocial insects on Earth we see an alien world with an incredibly complex social structure with a distinct 'caste' system - each has a specific role to play and so I think there are probably many different variations to the Thargoid race that we have not seen yet.

It is possible that humans are alone in this concept but, maybe there is a division between warlike and peaceful castes, possibly even a spiritual division but, that's looking at things from a very human perspective!
 
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I think the new barnacle Forrest site looks like the start of a new site from above. Ive been thinking this for a while, the unknown site near the cannon gnosis have massive petals sticking out of the ground.

These sites look like they are face down into ground.

The exhaust or back end of a thargoid ship looks like the middle part of the site. If you look down you see the same shape opening but larger. Yes I have been looking up the back side of a thargoid.
 
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