Please, enlightenment me.
What's your definition of a "Griefer"?
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Killing someone via mechanics that are outside of traditional combat, I.E. Station Ramming.
griefer
Someone, usually in an online game, who intentionally, and usually repeatedly, attempts to degrade anothers experience or torment them.
Examples of griefing:
1. Player vs player abuse: Singling out the same person and killing them over and over when they are defensless until hey log off.
2. Kill stealing: Repeatedly trying to steal another persons kills so that their time is wasted.
3. Verbal abuse: Spamming a person with vulgar, hatefull, or offensive messages.
4. Blocking: Getting in anothers way so they cannot move or get out of a particular area.
5. "Training": Triggering many monsters, almost always impossible to fight and survive, with the intention to either run someone out of an area or kill them indirectly if the server is not 'player vs player' enabled.
Griefing in massively multiplayer online role playing games are usually bannable on first offense and less common (thoguh still visably present).
Griefing is much more common on private servers for first person shooters like Counterstrike and Battlefield 1942.
Griefers and Powergamers are the 2 worst problems in online games today.
by Hic October 08, 2004
griefer
Someone, usually in an online game, who intentionally, and usually repeatedly, attempts to degrade anothers experience or torment them.
Examples of griefing:
1. Player vs player abuse: Singling out the same person and killing them over and over when they are defensless until hey log off.
2. Kill stealing: Repeatedly trying to steal another persons kills so that their time is wasted.
3. Verbal abuse: Spamming a person with vulgar, hatefull, or offensive messages.
4. Blocking: Getting in anothers way so they cannot move or get out of a particular area.
5. "Training": Triggering many monsters, almost always impossible to fight and survive, with the intention to either run someone out of an area or kill them indirectly if the server is not 'player vs player' enabled.
Griefing in massively multiplayer online role playing games are usually bannable on first offense and less common (thoguh still visably present).
Griefing is much more common on private servers for first person shooters like Counterstrike and Battlefield 1942.
Griefers and Powergamers are the 2 worst problems in online games today.
by Hic October 08, 2004
Someone who enjoys making weaker people sad. Theres a big hubub about them here.
Actually, it will help enlightened me on what a "griefer" is in the truest sense.I do not believe there is a path this thread can take that will be helpful for anyone.
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I do not believe there is a path this thread can take that will be helpful for anyone.
has to be better than all the role play threads at the moment.
and I would say any one who intends to ruin someone else's game for their own amusement, shoot on sight brigade that type.
and what the guy below says.
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My personal definition of a griefer in this game is pretty simple. A player who attacks/kills another player for no in-game benefit/reason. Their only reason for the attack is their own amusement. An example of this would be someone in an advanced gameplay ship flying around LHS 3337 (I think that is the starting zone) killing everyone in a sidewinder. The new players are trying to learn and have no affiliation or anything of value, but the griefer is solely doing this to amuse themselves and to negatively impact another player's enjoyment.
With that being said, piracy (the attempt to get another player's cargo), power play combat (even unwanted), bounty hunting (even if the bounty was an accident), or any other forced PvP with an in-game reward SHOULD NOT be considered griefing as those are part of the game's income models.
With that being said, piracy (the attempt to get another player's cargo), power play combat (even unwanted), bounty hunting (even if the bounty was an accident), or any other forced PvP with an in-game reward SHOULD NOT be considered griefing as those are part of the game's income models.
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http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-7-biggest--moves-in-history-online-gaming_p3/
Griefer: Someone who attacks defenceless ships with the sole intent of killing them not for some kind of financial gain (Not trying to claim bounty, not trying to steal cargo, not trying to get merits for powerplay. Just for the sake of killing)
In my opinion anyway.
In my opinion anyway.
http://www.destructoid.com/final-fantasy-xi-boss-causes-vomiting-takes-18-hours-to-beat-99391.phtml
Also I count this as square enix grieving me, it took my Guild 3 years to beat this guy, without exploits like other links below were.
We never, ever even got close to Pandemonium Warden. Square enix is the only company, not players, ever featured on those lists for releasing those two bosses, although they are referenced less now that the game is 15 years old.
Also I count this as square enix grieving me, it took my Guild 3 years to beat this guy, without exploits like other links below were.
We never, ever even got close to Pandemonium Warden. Square enix is the only company, not players, ever featured on those lists for releasing those two bosses, although they are referenced less now that the game is 15 years old.
noun1.keen mental suffering or distress over affliction or loss; sharp sorrow;painful regret.
2.a cause or occasion of keen distress or sorrow.
Idioms3.come to grief, to suffer disappointment, misfortune, or other trouble;fail:Their marriage came to grief after only two years.
4.good grief, (used as an exclamation of dismay, surprise, or relief):Good grief, it's started to rain again!
SynonymsExpand
1. anguish, heartache, woe, misery; sadness, melancholy, moroseness. Seesorrow.
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1. joy.
By the definition of grief, I would venture to say a griefer is someone who imposes grief on another for no other reason than to do so.
2.a cause or occasion of keen distress or sorrow.
Idioms3.come to grief, to suffer disappointment, misfortune, or other trouble;fail:Their marriage came to grief after only two years.
4.good grief, (used as an exclamation of dismay, surprise, or relief):Good grief, it's started to rain again!
SynonymsExpand
1. anguish, heartache, woe, misery; sadness, melancholy, moroseness. Seesorrow.
AntonymsExpand
1. joy.
By the definition of grief, I would venture to say a griefer is someone who imposes grief on another for no other reason than to do so.
Jesus, sounds brutal.
I agreeIt's someone who causes others to start a long pointless forum thread.
Someone killing the same player over and over, make that specific players life miserable.
Griefing in my book, is someone who goes to great lengths to mentally and even possibly physically harm someone via a video game for their own enjoyment. Getting shot every now and again, and dying every now and again, is part of the game, but when someone starts relentlessly hunting you, just for giggles on their own part, without an actual in-game reason to do so...
The best example of griefing I have, is say, let's take GTA:O for instance. A level 250 player, killing a level 5 player 76 times in a row, with miniguns, tanks, aircraft, glitches, Merryweather, Lester, etc, while relentlessly hunting them across the map until they quit the game session. That I would consider griefing. The level 250 had access to five times the heal and body armor, and access to tanks, jets, airstrikes, etc, etc, while the level has a pistol, and no body armor, barely able to defend himself against street pedestrians, and you're harassing him, 76 to 0.
Griefing for me, comes down to bullying. Someone who is of a higher means than you, harassing you because of their advantage. Y'know, sniping you over and over and over again while you stand in an open field with no sniper of your own, or getting rammed into a corner by a bigger ship, and held there until you quit or die.
The best example of griefing I have, is say, let's take GTA:O for instance. A level 250 player, killing a level 5 player 76 times in a row, with miniguns, tanks, aircraft, glitches, Merryweather, Lester, etc, while relentlessly hunting them across the map until they quit the game session. That I would consider griefing. The level 250 had access to five times the heal and body armor, and access to tanks, jets, airstrikes, etc, etc, while the level has a pistol, and no body armor, barely able to defend himself against street pedestrians, and you're harassing him, 76 to 0.
Griefing for me, comes down to bullying. Someone who is of a higher means than you, harassing you because of their advantage. Y'know, sniping you over and over and over again while you stand in an open field with no sniper of your own, or getting rammed into a corner by a bigger ship, and held there until you quit or die.
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If i could name cmdrs i could define a griefer in 2 words. Starts with k though lol
Using game mechanics in a way that they were not ment to be used to have a negative impact on another player. Also killing someone over and over again, or verbally bashing another player. Those are my definitios of a griefer.
Someone killing a shieldless weaponless trader full of expensive cargo without doing the pirating routine, well thats just pvp. If you don't like it play solo, thats what its there for. Everyone complains about griefers just because they got killed and lost millions, because some player didn't offer them an out, well thats just too bad. Killing people just for the fun of it is part of playing in a pvp environment. But its amazing how many people cry and complain when they are on the losing end of these situations. And all the people that complain about players killing defensless players just for their own entertainment, well hell, isn't that why we play the game for in the first place, is to entertain ourselves. Excuse me if my fun ruins your fun, again play solo.
To expand on the verbal bashing portion of my definition of a griefer, the victim of a pvp encounter usually is the one that ends up being the griefer in most of my experiences. All of the negative, bashing, abusive comments that come from players that just had their rears handed to them because they were flying around defenseless in the first place, is classic griefing behavior, however the community seems to think that is ok. Hmmm go figure.
It just continues to amaze me how many people complain and cry when they know they are in a pvp environment. I still miss the days of Everquest, when you could loot items off of someone you just pvped for your reward for taking them out. That was great pvp, but it was all ruined by the whiner babies out there complaining that they sat at a spawn for days waiting for the mob to respawn and get the right drop, that players shouldn't be allowed to take it. Boo hoo. And it continues today.
If you don't want to loose your hard earned credits because of another player, then go solo, if you want to play open then unless someone is doing something they obviously shouldn't be doing, in a way that it shouldn't be done, then suck it up, better youself, and try to not let it happen again.
Someone killing a shieldless weaponless trader full of expensive cargo without doing the pirating routine, well thats just pvp. If you don't like it play solo, thats what its there for. Everyone complains about griefers just because they got killed and lost millions, because some player didn't offer them an out, well thats just too bad. Killing people just for the fun of it is part of playing in a pvp environment. But its amazing how many people cry and complain when they are on the losing end of these situations. And all the people that complain about players killing defensless players just for their own entertainment, well hell, isn't that why we play the game for in the first place, is to entertain ourselves. Excuse me if my fun ruins your fun, again play solo.
To expand on the verbal bashing portion of my definition of a griefer, the victim of a pvp encounter usually is the one that ends up being the griefer in most of my experiences. All of the negative, bashing, abusive comments that come from players that just had their rears handed to them because they were flying around defenseless in the first place, is classic griefing behavior, however the community seems to think that is ok. Hmmm go figure.
It just continues to amaze me how many people complain and cry when they know they are in a pvp environment. I still miss the days of Everquest, when you could loot items off of someone you just pvped for your reward for taking them out. That was great pvp, but it was all ruined by the whiner babies out there complaining that they sat at a spawn for days waiting for the mob to respawn and get the right drop, that players shouldn't be allowed to take it. Boo hoo. And it continues today.
If you don't want to loose your hard earned credits because of another player, then go solo, if you want to play open then unless someone is doing something they obviously shouldn't be doing, in a way that it shouldn't be done, then suck it up, better youself, and try to not let it happen again.
I think its a pretty settled question in general, IF someone's chief motivation for whatever actions they are taking is taking pleasure in someone else's misery (wonderful German word, Schadenfreude) THEN they are a greifer. full stop.
If they just like blasting people its not Griefing.
If they pursue and kill the same person over and over again, a reasonable person is going to assume that their motivations are ruining the other person's experience rather than enhancing their own. Which is the very essence of Griefing.
Greifers don't have to be all powerful or overpowered, I'm sure there are ways someone can influence someone else's experience in a negative manner without being more powerful than they are.
Kill stealing...now that's a grey area...if you're doing it because its "cheap" creds/Combat Rank, you're clear, they might not like it, but its no different than the way I hear people farm REZ by "stealing" NPC kills. If you're doing it to enrage the other player hoping they have an aneurysm you're a Greifer.
I'm not as sure about the "verbal bashing", that is a lesser class of harassment, which is usually capable of being ignored completely by a reasonable adult. "Verbal" Harassment is of course, a club most Griefers keep in their bag and sees a lot of use, but its a symptom, not the disease, its almost always used in combination with something inherent to gameplay which makes them impossible to ignore. (Basically I wouldn't want to glorify someone with the title of Greifer because they called someone a name, like calling someone a "Hacker" because they read your password on a Post-It attached to your monitor. Also by that logic calling them out as a griefer could be greifing or some other such nonsense.)
Everyone has the right to play in whatever style or manner they choose, but the line over which you shouldn't cross is pretty clear. Just because the line is drawn in invisible ink (its really based on their own personal motivations) we all know where it is.
TL;DR
If you catch yourself being a jerk, stahp, mmk? kthxbai.
Of course, there are people who will scream "Lag Switch!" or "'sploit!" or "Griefer!" because they lost or were destroyed or just aren't as good in the game as they're sure they should be and those people are what they are as well.
If they just like blasting people its not Griefing.
If they pursue and kill the same person over and over again, a reasonable person is going to assume that their motivations are ruining the other person's experience rather than enhancing their own. Which is the very essence of Griefing.
Greifers don't have to be all powerful or overpowered, I'm sure there are ways someone can influence someone else's experience in a negative manner without being more powerful than they are.
Kill stealing...now that's a grey area...if you're doing it because its "cheap" creds/Combat Rank, you're clear, they might not like it, but its no different than the way I hear people farm REZ by "stealing" NPC kills. If you're doing it to enrage the other player hoping they have an aneurysm you're a Greifer.
I'm not as sure about the "verbal bashing", that is a lesser class of harassment, which is usually capable of being ignored completely by a reasonable adult. "Verbal" Harassment is of course, a club most Griefers keep in their bag and sees a lot of use, but its a symptom, not the disease, its almost always used in combination with something inherent to gameplay which makes them impossible to ignore. (Basically I wouldn't want to glorify someone with the title of Greifer because they called someone a name, like calling someone a "Hacker" because they read your password on a Post-It attached to your monitor. Also by that logic calling them out as a griefer could be greifing or some other such nonsense.)
Everyone has the right to play in whatever style or manner they choose, but the line over which you shouldn't cross is pretty clear. Just because the line is drawn in invisible ink (its really based on their own personal motivations) we all know where it is.
TL;DR
If you catch yourself being a jerk, stahp, mmk? kthxbai.
Of course, there are people who will scream "Lag Switch!" or "'sploit!" or "Griefer!" because they lost or were destroyed or just aren't as good in the game as they're sure they should be and those people are what they are as well.
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