When we jump the gun on criticism, we do FD down (sometimes)

[COOPER TTE]

First: yes I know that this new release(2.1) is 'late' and I know we are still in Beta...

...and please at least TRY to avoid "I wish this game was more like 'x' or 'y' because they do 'z' better". In my view, this game is utterly original both in how it approaches 'MMO' and how it compiles it's gameplay mechanics

The last few months have seen so many complaints - some really valid and some a bit more entitled - but lots of us have been focussed on a specific worry or complaint from our own perspective

But it seems to me that, as a result of the delayed 2.1 implementation we *may* (it's Beta) have got more than we could have expected in one go.

Yes, we are going to have better missions with better context, explanation and persistence
Yes, we are going to have way more flexibility in builds and ship and weapon priorities
Yes, the things are going to be balanced better generally, the fighting meta less fixed, the rewards more variable and interesting

From what I have seen myself and also read, FD have achieved so much more in terms of the basic game build, probably as a result of forum feedback and also the original roadmap so that little but important things like: (potentially - yes I know it's a Beta)

- improved LOD
- improved planetary graphics both far and close
- detail, detail everywhere (I really hope SRV tracks can stay in the final implementation!)
- the station tannoys and activity - wow
- genuinely interesting (if not yet palatable) AI behaviour

There's loads more of course. I can't and don't need to list everything as it's hasn't all been found yet, probably, and things will change more during Beta

But my point is, why do we criticise the game so hard and so soon, when so many good things are implemented in new releases (often which FD stay silent on despite the forum furore) when we could make our comment and then wait to see what exactly FD have improved before creating angst?

Like many, I love this game generally but also take breaks when I need to or am frustrated, but this upgrade is really, well, dare i say impressing me about how much FD care about this game, and us

 

[CMDR Heisenberg B. Damned]

Careful now, this is an Internet forum you know!

Although, yeah I agree, only got a very brief time to try the beta last night but was blown away by the planet details.

 

[COOPER TTE]

I know, I know
I just see so much focus on individual issues and not much appreciation of the bigger overall effort.

 

[Whiterose]

You can please some of the people some of the time etc etc.

 

[Conch]

Sir braben is rubbing his hands.. people that nag to much will get a visit of a Fdev disguist as a thargoid(invasion fleet).

 

[Dozer.k.a.o.]

thanks to internet... forums, social networks...every creator, artist or publisher is now objective of every kind of opinions, that's the new rule of the time we are living, it's good but most of the time is bad i think.

Make a good idea... make it public and let people to give their opinion about it... follow the opinions and you will spoil your original and wonderful idea... is that simple.

I just only hope that Frontier has a clear vision of their idea and they follow it to the end.... they are the creators,,, most of us simple costumers that want things easier , fast, and don't adapt to changes.

 

[Arry]

Agreed: All that effort is not rewarded by positive feedback from many posters here, but at the same time. Beta is the place to find faults, to push its limits and break the game , if that is possible.

We may not all agree on what is a good up-date and what is not what we want to see in the game. If all had the same issues, with the new content of the game, life would be very boring, indeed.

 

[saremun]

First: yes I know that this new release(2.1) is 'late' and I know we are still in Beta...

...and please at least TRY to avoid "I wish this game was more like 'x' or 'y' because they do 'z' better". In my view, this game is utterly original both in how it approaches 'MMO' and how it compiles it's gameplay mechanics

The last few months have seen so many complaints - some really valid and some a bit more entitled - but lots of us have been focussed on a specific worry or complaint from our own perspective

But it seems to me that, as a result of the delayed 2.1 implementation we *may* (it's Beta) have got more than we could have expected in one go.

Yes, we are going to have better missions with better context, explanation and persistence
Yes, we are going to have way more flexibility in builds and ship and weapon priorities
Yes, the things are going to be balanced better generally, the fighting meta less fixed, the rewards more variable and interesting

From what I have seen myself and also read, FD have achieved so much more in terms of the basic game build, probably as a result of forum feedback and also the original roadmap so that little but important things like: (potentially - yes I know it's a Beta)

- improved LOD
- improved planetary graphics both far and close
- detail, detail everywhere (I really hope SRV tracks can stay in the final implementation!)
- the station tannoys and activity - wow
- genuinely interesting (if not yet palatable) AI behaviour

There's loads more of course. I can't and don't need to list everything as it's hasn't all been found yet, probably, and things will change more during Beta

But my point is, why do we criticise the game so hard and so soon, when so many good things are implemented in new releases (often which FD stay silent on despite the forum furore) when we could make our comment and then wait to see what exactly FD have improved before creating angst?

Like many, I love this game generally but also take breaks when I need to or am frustrated, but this upgrade is really, well, dare i say impressing me about how much FD care about this game, and us

May be because they still miss the core requirements for the game?

Its cool to see better graphics and all but what about the failed Crime system? or the fact that we don't have storage? In game transactions?, there are some important elements in the game which have been handled poorly like the fact that you can be both Admiral and a King at the same time with no consequences?, we got the Engineers but they are heavily flawed feature because they provide temporary solution to a core need in game which is crafting, Engineers don't offer true crafting system because they only modify modules(not even talking about the RNG part ) .

We need a real player market which would create a whole new dynamic in the game because mining will be relevant and those with the right skills can craft and sell what they crafted in the market for those who like to focus on other parts of the game...

Now after all that i still think there is a real problem with the current three mod system, they have to fix it because it make no dame sense that the players who risk it all have the same reward as those who spend their time in Solo and Private let alone the fact that they can affect the game(powerplay and BGS) in the same way. i played this game for the MMO part and have you even seen the Open? its g ghost town...

 

[ShimEnki]

We need a real player market which would create a whole new dynamic in the game because mining will be relevant and those with the right skills can craft and sell what they crafted in the market for those who like to focus on other parts of the game...

This i totally agree with.

 

[cheesenbiscuits]

May be because they still miss the core requirements for the game?

Its cool to see better graphics and all but what about the failed Crime system? or the fact that we don't have storage? In game transactions?, there are some important elements in the game which have been handled poorly like the fact that you can be both Admiral and a King at the same time with no consequences?, we got the Engineers but they are heavily flawed feature because they provide temporary solution to a core need in game which is crafting, Engineers don't offer true crafting system because they only modify modules(not even talking about the RNG part ) .

We need a real player market which would create a whole new dynamic in the game because mining will be relevant and those with the right skills can craft and sell what they crafted in the market for those who like to focus on other parts of the game...

Now after all that i still think there is a real problem with the current three mod system, they have to fix it because it make no dame sense that the players who risk it all have the same reward as those who spend their time in Solo and Private let alone the fact that they can affect the game(powerplay and BGS) in the same way. i played this game for the MMO part and have you even seen the Open? its g ghost town...

Yeh yeh thats the stuff fella

 

[[DOOK] Droogie]

It's a beta. The entire point is criticism..

 

[Nim Rodel]

May be because they still miss the core requirements for the game?

Its cool to see better graphics and all but what about the failed Crime system? or the fact that we don't have storage? In game transactions?, there are some important elements in the game which have been handled poorly like the fact that you can be both Admiral and a King at the same time with no consequences?, we got the Engineers but they are heavily flawed feature because they provide temporary solution to a core need in game which is crafting, Engineers don't offer true crafting system because they only modify modules(not even talking about the RNG part ) .

We need a real player market which would create a whole new dynamic in the game because mining will be relevant and those with the right skills can craft and sell what they crafted in the market for those who like to focus on other parts of the game...

Now after all that i still think there is a real problem with the current three mod system, they have to fix it because it make no dame sense that the players who risk it all have the same reward as those who spend their time in Solo and Private let alone the fact that they can affect the game(powerplay and BGS) in the same way. i played this game for the MMO part and have you even seen the Open? its g ghost town...

Under/Over 5 posts before someone says "ED is not EVE".

Nim

 

[Anopheles]

This is a bad time for me to feel the loves. Just found out that I have to pay an extra payment to take part in Beta, despite prepayment.

Yours, In Bitterness,

Anopheles
The King in the Dark
Captain Emeritus and Founder of The Code
Who? Oh, him.
Archon's Idol.

 

[COOPER TTE]

Sir braben is rubbing his hands.. people that nag to much will get a visit of a Fdev disguist as a thargoid(invasion fleet).

Wot!? I hope people that deserve it get a visit from Thargoids first. I cant wait!!

thanks to internet... forums, social networks...every creator, artist or publisher is now objective of every kind of opinions, that's the new rule of the time we are living, it's good but most of the time is bad i think.

Make a good idea... make it public and let people to give their opinion about it... follow the opinions and you will spoil your original and wonderful idea... is that simple.

I just only hope that Frontier has a clear vision of their idea and they follow it to the end.... they are the creators,,, most of us simple costumers that want things easier , fast, and don't adapt to changes.

Well, yeah this is what I'm saying really. I love democracy and group discussion and all that. I don't love so much the attitude that "something isn't exactly what I want so make your thing more like what I have in my mind." Constructive feedback is bound to help a game developer make improvements, but trying to force someone's vision to fit something else is bound to make things worse, in my opinion. If you don't like something in a game like this - sure discuss it with the dev if you can. But if you're looking for something completely different, then - you know - don't play and find what you are looking for.

Agreed: All that effort is not rewarded by positive feedback from many posters here, but at the same time. Beta is the place to find faults, to push its limits and break the game , if that is possible.

We may not all agree on what is a good up-date and what is not what we want to see in the game. If all had the same issues, with the new content of the game, life would be very boring, indeed.

Arry, as often, I pretty much agree with you 100%. I certainly don't think the game is perfect (yet - who knows in time?) but I think some just don't understand compromise or middle ground. In fact, it seems that some people take it personally if they don't get exactly what they want - like it's either a win or lose situation with nothing in the middle. Stamping of feet ensues!

It's a beta. The entire point is criticism..

Droog, I never said otherwise and this wasn't meant to be a whiteknight post. But most of the kind of criticism I'm talking about came before Beta even dropped. As responsible CMDRs, it is our DUTY to let FD know what we think and what's going wrong - with their game. Not so much to tell them to make something else, I think. I mean, I'm no fan of Powerplay personally but I just get on with the bits I do like while accepting PP is a thing and that it might affect my game sometimes.

 

[Arry]

Arry, as often, I pretty much agree with you 100%. I certainly don't think the game is perfect (yet - who knows in time?) but I think some just don't understand compromise or middle ground. In fact, it seems that some people take it personally if they don't get exactly what they want - like it's either a win or lose situation with nothing in the middle. Stamping of feet ensues!.

You don't understand: I paid good hard earned money for this game, sorry, My game, they will provide, exactly what I desire.

 

[COOPER TTE]

May be because they still miss the core requirements for the game? {etc}.

I get this, I just don't agree with all of it. We know crafting is coming and bound to improve over time, and we know this is a long term development too - it just means we can't have it all right now. I personally don't think that storage is essential because for me, in Elite, that's a part of it all - you're one guy with one ship (at a time) not an empire builder. Likewise, I don't think there should be a player market. Not cos it wouldn't be nice, but because that's not what this game is about to me. All games have constraints and I think it's important for players to realise that and get one with it. Otherwise games will become even more generic (see any EA or Ubi game) than they already are. Just my opinions obvs... On the other hand, crime and punishment is a real problem which if fixed would help even up the mode usage and quality gameplay generally.

Under/Over 5 posts before someone says "ED is not EVE".
Exactly

Nim

This is a bad time for me to feel the loves. Just found out that I have to pay an extra payment to take part in Beta, despite prepayment.

That sucks but try to get past it. Sorry to say its most likely that you missed the right instruction to get the Beta access, somehow. But honestly, a guy like you should take the next LEP opportunity, even though Code are checking out other games now, cos I'll bet they'll be back with a vengeance sometime! For now, please do buy the Beta, we really need feedback from the King of Pirates as much, if not more, as we do from all other player types

 

[COOPER TTE]

You don't understand: I paid good hard earned money for this game, sorry, My game, they will provide, exactly what I desire.

Arf! Exactly!
Has anyone considered that to actually commission a game the way they want it, wouldn't cost $50-$300. It would be easier and quicker to learn to code and design, join a company and earn your chops, and then make the game you want yourself. I mean, when I buy a car, I look for the attributes I want most and get the one that fits the bill most in my price window. Having bought Nissan Almera, I don't write to the company asking why it can't perform like a Ferrari, and that they should upgrade my parts (for FREEEE!) so that it is actually a Nissan GT-R.

PS, i didnt buy a Nissan Almera

 

[Bacalao]

People like to complain, it's easy, it's fun, it's popular, lots of people agree with you, it's free...forming constructive, balanced praise and criticism on the other hand requires thought and effort and explanation, people complain about it (see above), misinterpret to justify their complaints or simple ignore what you actually said and use the topic you raise as a platform to complain from. Even this post is a complaint....IT'S EVERYWHERE.


I agree though, 2.1 is an excellent achievement for FD, sadly people will simply use that as a basis to say "well you did all that, why couldn't you do MY THING?! It's all horrible the world is ending, Elite is doomed, star citizen forever..."

 

[Henri]

You know that Frontier read the forums, facebook and twitter and use the feedback to Improve the game.
It is now permitted to continue the grouphug and circle ....

 

[frostypaw]

Hear hear to the OP - the amount of slagging off and assumptions of total stupidity I've heard it must be hard not to get furious sometimes. Having a release like this up your sleeve much help loads.

Player driven economy just isn't any fun. Oh how I'd love that, logging into Elite and being forced to do stuff I don't want to just to keep an economy apparently inhabited by billions upon billions of humans going because they apparently rely on a few thousand player pilots nah let the npcs do the dull bits