Where's all the shiny?

[Godnamedthor]

o7 Cmdrs,

I was wondering where all the stuff is I am looking for? I am on a exploration trip atm, started from the bubble out to the formidine rift, crossing the inner Orion spur to the outer spur and to Hawking's gap. A few hundred jumps and I haven't seen a single anomaly. Nothing! I know they are rare but on my previous trips I found them every now and then.
I used to explore more towards the core region then, doing extended trips to Colonia via the Bulge. Is that it? Is that kind of stuff only pesent near the galactic center?

 

[He$$eeTant]

Subscribed: not seen a single “notable Stella phenomena” in hundreds upon hundreds of jumps

 

[Factabulous]

'Hundreds' lol

Edit: They are pretty rare in most locations. Some have gone to BP and none seen any.

 

[schlowi123]

Just hundreds? I increase to thousands upon thousands.

 

[marx]

By "anomaly", do you mean Notable Stellar Phenomenae (NSPs), or the specific shining L/P/Q/T/etc anomalies?
If it's the latter, then they aren't present in every region. Although it looks like both regions you mention (Outer Orion Spur and Hawking's Gap) should have L and P, but probably only near nebulae.

If it's the former, let me quote a recent post of mine:

As for NSPs, their rarity depends on the lifeforms they contain. (NSPs are spawned as containers for at least one lifeform, they are never empty. In other words: there will always be one thing that can respond to you, beyond the filler content of crystals and such.) Most of them are quite rare because they are confined to specific places, but a handful are very common. Albulum gourd molluscs in the Inner Orion Spur, various peduncle trees and pods in the Dryman's Point and Sagittarius-Carina Arm regions.
See here for some maps, although there are some more now.

The way space-borne life seems to spawn is that you need to be in the right region, the right area of space inside the region, and the star & body & other conditions of the lifeform in question need to be met. The reason why the three regions mentioned above seem "overrun" with those few lifeforms is because their requirements are rather lax, and their spawning area covers the entire region.
If you're looking in the right places, you'll find that NSPs spawn pretty well. As far as I can tell, if all the conditions mentioned above are met, an NSP will spawn, 100% chance.
If you aren't, odds are high you won't see any.

 

[Factabulous]

Even more fun - if you head for a location where the codex says something exists it is not guaranteed that anything will be present - sometimes they just vanish, even if your codex says they are present.

 

[He$$eeTant]

'Hundreds' lol

Edit: They are pretty rare in most locations. Some have gone to BP and none seen any.

Yeah, I am on my way back from BP and nadda. By hundreds i mean I actively scanned for them rather than just honking and jumping. I did see one once, about a year ago not far from the bubble but since my last (current) trip from Bubble to SagA to BP and now headed back - nothing

 

[Godnamedthor]

Just hundreds? I increase to thousands upon thousands.

Bummer

By "anomaly", do you mean Notable Stellar Phenomenae (NSPs), or the specific shining L/P/Q/T/etc anomalies?
If it's the latter, then they aren't present in every region. Although it looks like both regions you mention (Outer Orion Spur and Hawking's Gap) should have L and P, but probably only near nebulae.

If it's the former, let me quote a recent post of mine:

Thanks Cmdr! I meant both, NSP's and the anomalies. I haven't been out exploring for over a year now because of BGS stuff and growing our PMF but I did several trips back and forth to Colonia back then. I'm not saying I found a LOT of those things on my trips but I found them. I liked them very much so I was looking forward to see it again. So obviously I was accidentally in the right place then and now I'm not. C'est la vie...

Even more fun - if you head for a location where the codex says something exists it is not guaranteed that anything will be present - sometimes they just vanish, even if your codex says they are present.

Well, that's ED after all.

Thank you all for your replies Cmdrs.
The search continues.....

 

[marx]

Even more fun - if you head for a location where the codex says something exists it is not guaranteed that anything will be present - sometimes they just vanish, even if your codex says they are present.

Yeah. It can happen that you arrive to a system, and NSPs that ought to be present there don't appear. Relogging tends to fix this, but you might have to do it multiple times before it does.
So whether you find an NSP or not also depends on whether you were fortunate enough that the game worked correctly when you were in the right place.

 

[Factabulous]

Yeah. It can happen that you arrive to a system, and NSPs that ought to be present there don't appear. Relogging tends to fix this, but you might have to do it multiple times before it does.
So whether you find an NSP or not also depends on whether you were fortunate enough that the game worked correctly when you were in the right place.

I gave up after several relogs .. as did the other CMDR who I was trying (unsuccessfully) to prove wrong . This was in a system where the codex showed the entry as CONFIRMED (i.e. I had personally been there before where it was present).

 

[LifesAJourney]

I've done over 400 kylies after the NSPs had been introduced and met them only twice: at the very beginning, just outside the Bubble, previously discovered by someone else.

 

[GrandAdmiralThrawn]

During my first (and so far only) galactic circumnavigation in Summer 3305 / 2019, I found lots and lots of peduncle trees + pods in the Sagittarius-Carina arm, as mentioned by marx. There were so many, that I'd see them every 5-8 or so systems for... I don't know how many lightyears. Hundreds? I grew really sick of them after a while, actually... There are just too many, it's like one huge infestation of the entire region. But then again, on the other side of the galaxy, while completing my circumnavigation, I haven't seen a single NSP, not ever again. Also none in the centre actually. At least not so far.

 

[Factabulous]

During my first (and so far only) galactic circumnavigation in Summer 3305 / 2019, I found lots and lots of peduncle trees + pods in the Sagittarius-Carina arm, as mentioned by marx. There were so many, that I'd see them every 5-8 or so systems for... I don't know how many lightyears. Hundreds? I grew really sick of them after a while, actually... There are just too many, it's like one huge infestation of the entire region. But then again, on the other side of the galaxy, while completing my circumnavigation, I haven't seen a single NSP, not ever again. Also none in the centre actually. At least not so far.

Yeah, it's mostly famine or drought. I always laugh when someone excited reports they found their first Bark Mound ... you'll be finding a lot more of them

 

[Shnyrik]

NSPs are spawned as containers for at least one lifeform

Sorry, but I just have to clarify: this "at least" is a turn of speech, or are there any known NSPs with multiple types of small lifeforms?

 

[Pirin]

Sorry, but I just have to clarify: this "at least" is a turn of speech, or are there any known NSPs with multiple types of small lifeforms?

Most i have found so far had 2 types. I am referring to the NSPs, not to the ground locations. Never seen a NSP with more than 2 though.

 

[Shnyrik]

Most i have found so far had 2 types

Can you please specify what kind of lifeforms those were? The absolute majority of NSPs I've seen had 2 types of "fillers" (i.e. different crystals, or mineral spheres or trees etc.) or sometimes just 1 type of filler (may be there were actually 2 populations but of the same type), or on rare occasions even no fillers at all (that goes mainly for ring NSPs) and always 1 type of smaller lifeform (i.e. mollusk, seed pod, anomaly etc.)

 

[marx]

Sorry, but I just have to clarify: this "at least" is a turn of speech, or are there any known NSPs with multiple types of small lifeforms?

According to the Codex, the fillers are lifeforms as well. Even metallic crystals were produced by life. But yeah, as far as I know, there is one "dynamic" lifeform - the stuff you can interact with, molluscs, anomalies, trees, pods, and so on - and 0-2 "fillers".
If a system is eligible for more than one form of "dynamic" life, then they get put into separate NSPs. At least, I've never seen it otherwise, neither in the data nor myself.

Oh, and nebulae tend to have more NSPs too, although usually, it's only a couple per region, not all of them. Planetary nebulae are good places to go looking, too, but just inside their system, not the ones in their vicinity.

 

[Shnyrik]

If a system is eligible for more than one form of "dynamic" life, then they get put into separate NSPs

Do you have any ideas, what specifies which "dynamic" or "small" life spawns in each region? I mean, they seem to be region-specific. Were they restricted to regions by Frontiers by hand?

 

[marx]

Do you have any ideas, what specifies which "dynamic" or "small" life spawns in each region? I mean, they seem to be region-specific. Were they restricted to regions by Frontiers by hand?

Take a look at this list, and reference it with a map. It seems that there is some rationale behind it, namely how different "territories" (mollusc territory, trees & pods territory) mostly go along galactic arms, or crystalline shards, around the rim.
But from what I can tell, if the life specific to the region doesn't spawn all over the region (like albulum gourd molluscs in the IOS or the peduncle stuff in Dryman's and the SCA), then the limited areas where they do spawn appear to have been set by hand.

Either that, or there are still tiny islands of them all over the place, and we just didn't find any more since, hm, last April or so.

 

[Factabulous]

Either that, or there are still tiny islands of them all over the place, and we just didn't find any more since, hm, last April or so.

Things have been found since then. Well, variants at least. I still dream of more, there's a couple of obvious omissions

Edit: Edsm appears to be using a whitelist for finds, so doesn't have them all. The in-game codex though is a pain to check for newness, and has its own issues with certain finds not registering (luckily not any particularly interesting ones AFAIK).