Which should i chose Viper MkIII or Imperial Courrier... PvP

Threeofseven

Threeofseven
Based on your builds I'd go with viper. Courier is best kept light and fast. A heavy courier is not a good thing and 512 boost speed for is terrible. My courier boosts to 700+ while still maintaining 350+ MJ bi-weaves with good resistances, two cannons and a railgun. It's untouchable and perfect for slash type attacks.

You might overheat with two plasmas as two rail guns overheat mine after two back to back shots, but it handles one rail gun with ease.
 

SP45M

SP45M
I fly both at times and it comes down to level of engineering and playstyle. Overall I prefer the couriers agility and I use that to my advantage but strafing the enemy on their yaw arc to stay out of their field of fire.
 

Truesilver

Truesilver
As you know, Mr Greedy, I've done about as much Courier PvP duelling as anyone and although the VIII is amazing, I think the 4 x utilities tips things in the Courier's favour.

(I do agree that with the specific builds you're proposing the Viper may overheat less, though.)

Controversial fact: I've recently been feeding my Courier on high-fructose corn syrup to the point that the poor old girl's boost has dropped to 545. How is this new, chubby Courier getting on? Well enough! (Will post new Courier v FdL and v FAS meta-tank compilation vid soon ...)
 
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CMDR GTR2014

CMDR GTR2014
Threeofseven said:
Based on your builds I'd go with viper. Courier is best kept light and fast. A heavy courier is not a good thing and 512 boost speed for is terrible. My courier boosts to 700+ while still maintaining 350+ MJ bi-weaves with good resistances, two cannons and a railgun. It's untouchable and perfect for slash type attacks.

You might overheat with two plasmas as two rail guns overheat mine after two back to back shots, but it handles one rail gun with ease.
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The idea (already done) are two g5 efficient plasmas so i can keep firing before overheat.

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Truesilver said:
As you know, Mr Greedy, I've done about as much Courier PvP duelling as anyone and although the VIII is amazing, I think the 4 x utilities tips things in the Courier's favour.

(I do agree that with the specific builds you're proposing the Viper may overheat less, though.)

Controversial fact: I've recently been feeding my Courier on high-fructose corn syrup to the point that the poor old girl's boost has dropped to 545. How is this new, chubby Courier getting on? Well enough! (Will post new Courier v FdL and v FAS meta-tank compilation vid soon ...)
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Yes i know you are a Courier guy haha! I'm still with this on my head... right now i just noticed the viper is slower when using 0 to 2 pips at engine... which is a for a shielded build.
 

pippo

pippo
Get yourself both, problem solved.
You might even swap module to leisure until you figure out what's work best.
I own and use both and cannot pick a favourite. Both such great ships!
 

IndigoWyrd

IndigoWyrd
If you Efficient mod those PA's you'll be fine.

Personally my own "Silly" build is a Courier with 3 fixed cannons, all Force Shell modded. It's great laughs.
 

Threeofseven

Threeofseven
The courier is good as a shield tank, not so much as a hull tank. Speed is its main advantage. If you slap prismatics and boosters you can get well over 700mj (Iv heard people get over 1000mj) with ease while still boosting around 600. Don't bother with military grade armor because once your shields go down it's time to go.
 

CMDR GTR2014

CMDR GTR2014
IndigoWyrd said:
If you Efficient mod those PA's you'll be fine.

Personally my own "Silly" build is a Courier with 3 fixed cannons, all Force Shell modded. It's great laughs.
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Threeofseven said:
The courier is good as a shield tank, not so much as a hull tank. Speed is its main advantage. If you slap prismatics and boosters you can get well over 700mj (Iv heard people get over 1000mj) with ease while still boosting around 600. Don't bother with military grade armor because once your shields go down it's time to go.
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SHould i build something crazier like this?

http://beta.coriolis.edcd.io/outfit/imperial_courier?code=A0p5tzF3l3das8f11g1g1k08070000B45853536bm1.AwRj4z1I.Aw18UA%3D%3D.H4sIAAAAAAAAA2P8Z8%2FAwPCXFUhwXGBnYOA3%2BPH%2Fv5gAHwPDf6Z%2FYjApfgVmBgYRnn%2F%2F%2F4vu4GZgkABxlRfwAxWx%2FDMEKWIBKUr48P%2B%2F0Ion%2F%2F%2F%2FZ%2F1nCdPKWQDUxQUyUBHEUgKxVEEsNbAlbP8S4JZUvAHqP%2FDg%2F389m29AQzj%2BBcOk%2FkgDCdYWoK1sHz7%2B%2Fy8Bskl5wgugIk4kRay4FHH9i4ArAjqfgeXAT6AbpwgCVR7hBDqC%2B58r3BF3gKTQikSgJ0HBIb%2FBgJHhPw9ueZN5QP38%2F3xh8kxXgF5jewF0BPc7JgYGQZBzwGEmPQfoEBUOoJ7%2FAv%2B8QMqBMgyMN77%2B%2F88v8QfoXJAe5R%2FA0P8vSEBeiID8fwYUAAB2ZOkB4wEAAA%3D%3D.CwegDCBM5TBmBTAJggTgQwDYH0DGB7VANwQBdSEQARABQGUACAW3VwAsBLAO0oEYwBQA&bn=yet%20to%20be%20named

HAHAHA!
 

Threeofseven

Threeofseven
CMDR GTR2014 said:
SHould i build something crazier like this?

http://beta.coriolis.edcd.io/outfit/imperial_courier?code=A0p5tzF3l3das8f11g1g1k08070000B45853536bm1.AwRj4z1I.Aw18UA%3D%3D.H4sIAAAAAAAAA2P8Z8%2FAwPCXFUhwXGBnYOA3%2BPH%2Fv5gAHwPDf6Z%2FYjApfgVmBgYRnn%2F%2F%2F4vu4GZgkABxlRfwAxWx%2FDMEKWIBKUr48P%2B%2F0Ion%2F%2F%2F%2FZ%2F1nCdPKWQDUxQUyUBHEUgKxVEEsNbAlbP8S4JZUvAHqP%2FDg%2F389m29AQzj%2BBcOk%2FkgDCdYWoK1sHz7%2B%2Fy8Bskl5wgugIk4kRay4FHH9i4ArAjqfgeXAT6AbpwgCVR7hBDqC%2B58r3BF3gKTQikSgJ0HBIb%2FBgJHhPw9ueZN5QP38%2F3xh8kxXgF5jewF0BPc7JgYGQZBzwGEmPQfoEBUOoJ7%2FAv%2B8QMqBMgyMN77%2B%2F88v8QfoXJAe5R%2FA0P8vSEBeiID8fwYUAAB2ZOkB4wEAAA%3D%3D.CwegDCBM5TBmBTAJggTgQwDYH0DGB7VANwQBdSEQARABQGUACAW3VwAsBLAO0oEYwBQA&bn=yet%20to%20be%20named

HAHAHA!
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Now that's more like it! I wouldn't bother with the SCBs because bi/weaves charges so fast, just boost out firing range for 20 seconds or so until shields come back. You can use the space for precious cargo.
 

Commander Biscuit

Commander Biscuit
I've been using the Viper 3 for a long time, but unfortunately the Courier is better than it in almost every way. Caved in and I'm getting one today.

Imperial ships in general are all pretty good. And by pretty good I mean better than other ships of the same tier. Whether that's because the devs prefer them or what, I don't know.

CMDR GTR2014 said:
Ever heard of Cillit bang? Or Archon Fury? Or me? sometimes the ship is not the problem but the pilot :)
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Cilit Bang has quit the game some months ago, or at least quit doing pvp. He said that he can no longer compete with engineered ships in the Viper 3.
 

Spacecat

Spacecat
I have a Viper III with 2 PAs and 2 pulses and a Courier with 3 PAs (all engineered efficient). I don't use them for pvp, but think the courier is the harder hitting , more survivable, and more generally more usable of the two, but it overheats like crazy fuel scooping-I just get used to the alarms.
 
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Threeofseven

Threeofseven
CMDR GTR2014 said:
It's not for piracy... Poison Greed Mk V is my main Pirate ship, it was shaped for being a pirate :D

I'd like to have a PvP Specific ship I dont want to refit Poison every time i want to crack someone open :D
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For pvp specific, can't beat the sidewinder or courier. Whatever you do don't choose the FDL--last thing CGs need is more FDLs flying around.
 

Taluss

Taluss
Threeofseven said:
For pvp specific, can't beat the sidewinder or courier. Whatever you do don't choose the FDL--last thing CGs need is more FDLs flying around.
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But why are there so many FDLs flying around in CGs? Dpesn't that imply they are pretty darn good at PVP? Or do you think the name has cool factor+ so they are chosen?
 

StiTch

StiTch
Threeofseven said:
Based on your builds I'd go with viper. Courier is best kept light and fast. A heavy courier is not a good thing and 512 boost speed for is terrible. My courier boosts to 700+ while still maintaining 350+ MJ bi-weaves with good resistances, two cannons and a railgun. It's untouchable and perfect for slash type attacks.

You might overheat with two plasmas as two rail guns overheat mine after two back to back shots, but it handles one rail gun with ease.
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The iCourier has the same thrusters as the Viper with 15T less hull mass, but lower class sensors/life support. The only reason it might be more "mass sensitive" is that it gets more utility mounts, but I have no idea otherwise where you'd get the idea the iCourier is particularly mass sensitive over the viper.

Vote for the iCourier here. I personally like the ship with a railgun on. To be honest though if you're doing a "shield build" I'd heavily advocate dropping at least, say, a heat sink in favour of a resistance shield booster.

Using efficient plasmas you can keep heat down using the good ol' G1 low emissions trick. Roll low emissions on the PP until you get a positive power secondary. You'll get more power output AND better heat efficiency. Shouldn't need 2 heat sinks then if you can roughly evade daft heat-inducing effect fire.
 
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