General / Off-Topic Whining - A new world meta

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It has come to my attention that people these days are whiny girls. It was always the case on these forums that people pointing out anything they like in the game, or generally things that are good, are ridiculed and shunned, while people throwing dirt are regarded with high respect. The common argument, of course, is that whining about stuff is good for the game.
Well, I would say - it depends on what it is that's whined about.
It's definitely not good for the community. As for the game, there's whining and there's criticism. Criticism's good. Well worded and thought-through criticism even better. But I think that devs' willingness to cater the critics and to discuss the direction of future development enthusiastically did the game a great disservice in the end. It made critics think devs are obligated to heed and resolve personal problems people have with the game. In other words - they turned critics into whiners.

There are many objective problems with the game. But there is also a road map and the remaining two thirds of the development ahead to be considered. That fact alone makes whining about missing features pointless. Valid, maybe, but stupid nonetheless.
Bugs are a similar story. The ones easily squished are, not surprisingly, easily and swiftly squished. The ones not so easily resolved are added to the list and dealt with, once related game features are worked on. For the rest - the immediate personal game-braking issues - there is an awesome and tireless support team, always standing tall.

But the whining I am most disappointed with isn't related to the development state of the game or bugs. It's the people blaming the game for their own mistakes, ignorance and incapability to think (in general).
As a person invested in helping newcomers how ever I can, I am getting increasingly frustrated by this.

Not the real newbies, confused about everything. They are fine. They will learn if they are willing to. And I can help to speed up the process. It's actually satisfying and a real part of my emergent gameplay. Despite the fact that 80% of the "problems" can be resolved simply by quoting the manual. All that is required is their willingness to play the game, accept its rules and mechanics and be free-minded and inventive enough to be able to blaze their own trail.
What really grinds my gear, though, are people ignoring all that. Instead there seems to be a trend of trying to somewhat emotionally blackmail the devs into changing the game, according to player's personal needs. Elite enables so many ways to play it, that it is really surprising to see people, inventing so many ways they can't play the game. And complaining about it. I have never seen this before in any other game. The game is what it is. You either like and play it or you don't. It's really that simple. Suggesting new features and helping with making the game bigger and better is good. It shows the love. But not like this. Demanding something so aggressively is incredibly and stupidly selfish.
The truth is, I'd feel safer flying stock Sidewinder through Cubeo in the afternoon than I do on these forums.

Elite is awesome. The amount of work on devs' part and the sheer amount of stuff and possibilities it lays within the reach of player's fingertips makes my mind boggle. It is absolutely unfathomable for me, how someone can accuse this game or people behind it of fault or laziness.

Ultimately this isn't just about Elite, I guess. It scares me, because I am starting to see this trend everywhere in the world. People taking the service and luxury for granted, people, who consider everything uncomfortable to be offensive. Sometimes it seems that a good half of the forum are lead designers and shareholders of Frontier. Sometimes it seems everyone feels the world owes them something just for their ability to breathe. To cultivate this mindset is dangerous beyond comprehension.

Well. Look at me whining away like a child, rambling inconsistently. How very selfish of me, being offended by other people's actions. I learned form the best.

o7
 
+1

Nice post. I feel the same as you, as do many others i can assume from what i read.

The sad truth is, we're being slowly overrun by self entitled ignorant morons with nothing better to do. Even in the real world.
People (in general) want everything and want it now.

I work in a customer facing role, and i see it all the time.
I actually blame Tesco. They started it all. Lol
"More than one person in front​ of you? We'll open another checkout!"
Result?
No one can wait 1 minute to be served anymore.
I working click and collect for Tesco, and it's spreading here too.
People pull up to my collection point, and huff and moan when a car/customer is already being served.
They completely forget that someone else has picked and bagged all their shopping, saving them hours in the store. They just want it now, and demand to know why two people don't man this collection point, when most of the time, there isn't enough work for 1 person.

But, back on topic, people need to get over themselves.

Annnd, I'm whining too. :p

Let's all whine about whiners. Lol
 
to whine, to be negative is these days the way to be heard, on social media, on forums, on youtube. Watch a video review on youtube, one positive, one negative. The negative one always have more views, and more thumbs up. Its one of easiest ways to become popular. Just post a video of you loosing your sht about an random product, success guaranteed.
 
Disregard my original post.
The texted word sometimes doesn't alway convey true meaning.
In any case, yes, with all its flaws and unrealized potential, I play the hell out of it whenever I can.
 
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So many people whine nowadays that you have to work to get noticed as a real standout whiner! That's what I'm really sick of. The fact that my whines are now considered "meh" in the grand scheme of whininess. Maybe I should just quit.
 
So many people whine nowadays that you have to work to get noticed as a real standout whiner! That's what I'm really sick of. The fact that my whines are now considered "meh" in the grand scheme of whininess. Maybe I should just quit.

You merely reached a pioneer rank in whining. :p
 
Could you add a TLDR to your whinge wall ?

:)

If I had to guess the tl: dr would go something like:
tl: dr Stop acting like children and have some common sense!

Hows that sounds? :p


Also I agree, having recently started a Q&A questions compilation thread there are some that frankly made me want to say: "take a step back and look at what an *donkey*hat you are being". Unfortunately I recognise because they are *donkey*hats if I refused to put the question in then I'd immediately be labelled as a fanboy or forum-dad. Instead I re-worded some to be less obnoxious and frankly rude and that worked out mostly ok so far.

I still wish Sandro would have just got to those questions and said something like: "When you can phrase your question politely then I'll answer it... Next!". Alas sadly not although I must say they are remarkably good at putting a positive spin on a disrespectful questions.
 
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Great thread OP. Agree 100%. I made a thread a month or so ago about why i think elite is great and 95% was positive. Also the livestreams are nearly always positive, so the forums for me aren't really a reflection of what the overall player base feel. Constructive criticism is a phrase i used alot in my thread, also that i thought the elite crowd where abit more mature than other games communitys.
 
Great thread OP. Agree 100%. I made a thread a month or so ago about why i think elite is great and 95% was positive. Also the livestreams are nearly always positive, so the forums for me aren't really a reflection of what the overall player base feel. Constructive criticism is a phrase i used alot in my thread, also that i thought the elite crowd where abit more mature than other games communitys.

That's one of my gripes, I mentioned yesterday, somewhere else - People who are actually playing the game tend to like it.
But those who either play a grind simulator or stopped playing altogether and just troll the forums are really not that much helpful. :D
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Looks like a great start to what I wager will be a super constructive thread.

Slowly walks away

I appreciate you took the time to share your take on the matter with us.
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tl: dr Stop acting like children and have some common sense!

Hows that sounds? :p

Purrfect! ^.^
 
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Who's the bigger whiner?
The one that does whine or the one that whine over the whiner??

This thread is whining? really?

That pretty much solidifies that words many people say, not fitting with what I learned the words meant even though dictionaries generally agree with me...ah well.
What was the need for commenting like this? I think it entirely proves the point of the original post, it is apparently significantly more important to beat down people and put down people's opinions then actually talk, discuss and you know possibly solve something.

Unfortunately nothing new.
 
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It has come to my attention that people these days are whiny girls. It was always the case on these forums that people pointing out anything they like in the game, or generally things that are good, are ridiculed and shunned, while people throwing dirt are regarded with high respect. The common argument, of course, is that whining about stuff is good for the game.
Well, I would say - it depends on what it is that's whined about.
It's definitely not good for the community. As for the game, there's whining and there's criticism. Criticism's good. Well worded and thought-through criticism even better. But I think that devs' willingness to cater the critics and to discuss the direction of future development enthusiastically did the game a great disservice in the end. It made critics think devs are obligated to heed and resolve personal problems people have with the game. In other words - they turned critics into whiners.

There are many objective problems with the game. But there is also a road map and the remaining two thirds of the development ahead to be considered. That fact alone makes whining about missing features pointless. Valid, maybe, but stupid nonetheless.
Bugs are a similar story. The ones easily squished are, not surprisingly, easily and swiftly squished. The ones not so easily resolved are added to the list and dealt with, once related game features are worked on. For the rest - the immediate personal game-braking issues - there is an awesome and tireless support team, always standing tall.

But the whining I am most disappointed with isn't related to the development state of the game or bugs. It's the people blaming the game for their own mistakes, ignorance and incapability to think (in general).
As a person invested in helping newcomers how ever I can, I am getting increasingly frustrated by this.

Not the real newbies, confused about everything. They are fine. They will learn if they are willing to. And I can help to speed up the process. It's actually satisfying and a real part of my emergent gameplay. Despite the fact that 80% of the "problems" can be resolved simply by quoting the manual. All that is required is their willingness to play the game, accept its rules and mechanics and be free-minded and inventive enough to be able to blaze their own trail.
What really grinds my gear, though, are people ignoring all that. Instead there seems to be a trend of trying to somewhat emotionally blackmail the devs into changing the game, according to player's personal needs. Elite enables so many ways to play it, that it is really surprising to see people, inventing so many ways they can't play the game. And complaining about it. I have never seen this before in any other game. The game is what it is. You either like and play it or you don't. It's really that simple. Suggesting new features and helping with making the game bigger and better is good. It shows the love. But not like this. Demanding something so aggressively is incredibly and stupidly selfish.
The truth is, I'd feel safer flying stock Sidewinder through Cubeo in the afternoon than I do on these forums.

Elite is awesome. The amount of work on devs' part and the sheer amount of stuff and possibilities it lays within the reach of player's fingertips makes my mind boggle. It is absolutely unfathomable for me, how someone can accuse this game or people behind it of fault or laziness.

Ultimately this isn't just about Elite, I guess. It scares me, because I am starting to see this trend everywhere in the world. People taking the service and luxury for granted, people, who consider everything uncomfortable to be offensive. Sometimes it seems that a good half of the forum are lead designers and shareholders of Frontier. Sometimes it seems everyone feels the world owes them something just for their ability to breathe. To cultivate this mindset is dangerous beyond comprehension.

Well. Look at me whining away like a child, rambling inconsistently. How very selfish of me, being offended by other people's actions. I learned form the best.

o7

Starts thread about "whining" then goes on an epic whine fest.
 
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