Who is the real enemy?

[Howard o Pato]

Who are we facing?
The flower vessels have undergone considerable changes since the arrival of 2.4.
Are these mutations appended to the desing of ships or would this be the fourth vertebra?
These new ships are the same as before or are ships of a warrior tribe with their war paintings.
if they altered, what purpose?

Previous thargoids

Thargoids after 2.4

 

[S0fa C0mmand0]

Wow I didnt realise the differences.

 

[Howard o Pato]

before 2.4 we saw a great mobilization of the two factions to set up outposts in the pleiades sector, to research and of course to have the technology in their favor, the same good old armament race as ever, if this is the next technology of the moment the powers need to be ahead of the race, right.


which I discovered based on my interactions:
they bring down the two fleets, imperial and federal, they retaliate if they are shot, they go into combat with ships that carry technology Guardian and Thargoid, they destroy tec Guardian and take tec Thargoid, meta alloy and scape pod occupied and, when they die, they throw out Thargoids probes.


conclusion:
they recognize tec Guardian as hostile and harmful destroying the first contact, without research interest, soon already have knowledge about such
they regard tec Thargoid as stolen, and are just taking it back from anyone who carries it, this includes the federal and imperial trains operating in the region, as well as commanders possessing their technology.
Humans may still be a blind spot to them, so the need for further study


they are not hostile as much as the federation of pilots is to us with stolen items, they just want back what is theirs and defend themselves against hostilities


the attack on the AEGIS base proves their interest in reacquiring its technology, as it is the largest research center of their technology


the probes they leave when they die work like our black box, they may be storing combat data and as before they still do the same as they always did, they recognize and reproduce data about the scout ship.
reacquire these probes is essential for them to draw conclusions about what happened and to discover about our technology


Thargoids are deliberately calm in combat, they do not massacre the target ship at first contact, they seem to me to be just giving warning shots, easily losing the focus of the primary target, refusing the target closer or more insistently, this seems to me to be exclusively maneuvers defensive


Defending and claiming what is rightfully yours can be considered hostility


How much is the glory worth for killing unknown ships that only defended themselves?

 

[TOM USMC]

Thargoids could be the Humpback whale of space. I'm guessing they are a little more capable but the same idea. They will go about their businessunless otherwise provoked. Now, I'm not sure that their business isn't potentially devastating to us us, but the data isn't in yet.

 

[CMDR MRMAURICE]

before 2.4 we saw a great mobilization of the two factions to set up outposts in the pleiades sector, to research and of course to have the technology in their favor, the same good old armament race as ever, if this is the next technology of the moment the powers need to be ahead of the race, right.


which I discovered based on my interactions:
they bring down the two fleets, imperial and federal, they retaliate if they are shot, they go into combat with ships that carry technology Guardian and Thargoid, they destroy tec Guardian and take tec Thargoid, meta alloy and scape pod occupied and, when they die, they throw out Thargoids probes.


conclusion:
they recognize tec Guardian as hostile and harmful destroying the first contact, without research interest, soon already have knowledge about such
they regard tec Thargoid as stolen, and are just taking it back from anyone who carries it, this includes the federal and imperial trains operating in the region, as well as commanders possessing their technology.
Humans may still be a sego point for them, so the need for further study


they are not hostile as much as the federation of pilots is to us with stolen items, they just want back what is theirs and defend themselves against hostilities (edited)


the attack on the AEGIS base proves their interest in reacquiring its technology, as it is the largest research center of their technology


the probes they leave when they die work like our black box, they may be storing combat data and as before they still do the same as they always did, they recognize and reproduce data about the scout ship.
reacquire these probes is essential for them to draw conclusions about what happened and to discover about our technology


Thargoids are deliberately calm in combat, they do not massacre the target ship at first contact, they seem to me to be just giving warning shots, easily losing the focus of the primary target, refusing the target closer or more insistently, this seems to me to be exclusively maneuvers defensive


Defending and claiming what is rightfully yours can be considered hostility


How much is the glory worth for killing unknown ships that only defended themselves?

If they take our tech (escape pods) then it's game on in my book

 

[Dutchman141]

I've been extensively testing Thargoid behavior over the weekend by dropping and carrying various items, Thargoid related, human related and Guardian related items.
At first I strongly backed the opinion that they're not all that hostile, I've only been attacked twice during my 25 or so tests.

However......

They do get provoked very easily and when they are they go all out weapons blazing untill you're dead.
They're very determined to kill you too when they're aggravated, they will keep following you unless you jump out.

There have been no "friendly" reactions from their side at all, just neutral and aggressive.

Okay, there might be more passive variants of Thargoids but nothing that determines any friendliness.
Now that there are unprovoked attacks by the Thargoids are showing up I'm strongly inclined to review my opinion on them.
They are not our friends that's for sure, if all of them are a direct enemy that remains to be seen.

I only bought the Xeno scanner at first but when heavier weapons will become available I'm definitely going to equip them.
I won't be the first to shoot but I will be the last to leave.

o7

 

[Vin Nova]

If they take our tech (escape pods) then it's game on in my book

Maybe they are rescuing them, as we seem to just leave our own addrift in space, after us most likely putting them there in the first place.

 

[Louis Calvert]

Honestly I think the answer to the question "Who is the real enemy?" is: We are.

I've had dozens of interactions with the Thargoids now and the only time they shoot me is when I've been acting aggressively or carrying a bit of Their technology.

But in relation to OP's pics, very interesting!

It's possible the first ones were scouts and now we're seeing a different class of ship entirely, maybe to them these little differences are as important as the difference between an Asp and a Python is to us.

 

[Dutchman141]

Maybe they are rescuing them, as we seem to just leave our own addrift in space, after us most likely putting them there in the first place.

You realy think so??
What would we do when we find an alien escape pod, rescue the guy and release him to it's own kind?

 

[Hell Razor5543]

I wonder if what we have are different sub species of the Thargoid form? There are numerous species of ants, bees, and other insects, so why not Thargoids?

 

[Dutchman141]

I wonder if what we have are different sub species of the Thargoid form? There are numerous species of ants, bees, and other insects, so why not Thargoids?

Have you ever seen friendly ants?
There are only those that bite and those that bite hard.
Almost every insect has either a defensive or offensive mechanism and non react well to human interference or presence.
Some even use us to reproduce, tick, mosquito, other parasites.

Thargoids are insectoid, no hard math there.
I'd like to be proven wrong but my own experiments doesn't show any friendly behavior, just neutral and aggression.

 

[Howard o Pato]

Every point of view is legitimate.
In my tests I was able to analyze her actions and found that, like all females, her mood is very unstable. But they are no more hostile than a dog on their territory.


The peaceful interactions follow some characteristics that I could catalog:
At first contact Thargoid will approach and scan you, and your reaction depends on the load you are carrying: If it is a Guardian Artifact, they will regard you as an enemy and attack you without warning after scanning.


If the load is Sensor Thargoid, Probe, Link, or Meta Alloys, Thargoid will not move away from you, and if you try to move away, it will keep the current distance for you. You have a few seconds to drop the items from your load, if you do not, it will launch Thargon Swarm. If you do not drop them in another 10 seconds, it will attack and you will consider yourself a thief. If you drop items before the attack, it will take them and leave you alone, and they will return to your household chores: Thargoid checks all ships and containers in the instance, only interested in the following: Thargoid Probe / Sensor / Link - Thargoid collect. Guardian Items - Thargoid destroys them. Slaves, Imperial Slaves, Escape pods (all types) - Thargoid collects them.


Anything Else: The Thargoid scans you and then does business.


Containers: If you drop at least 5 Meta Alloys while Thargoid is still on the instance, then a second Thargoid will enter. Upon entering, you are struck by an EMP pulse that disables your ship. Both Thargoids leave without any other interaction.
Always keep a safe distance and they will ignore you.

 

[Howard o Pato]

Yesterday I did scape pod rescues, invaded the non-human signals and went straight to save the scape pods occupied, all the interactions they became hostile after the rescue, sometimes plucked the pod directly from their "tractor beam" and that did with that would turn red and release the thargons, some hallucinating escapes but saved 17 survivors


they clearly do not like being stolen or pestered in what they are doing and consider scape pod as their property


This is very bizarre, I do not like the way things are going.

Save the survivors, we are not objects of alien research

 

[Louis Calvert]

Yesterday I did scape pod rescues, invaded the non-human signals and went straight to save the scape pods occupied, all the interactions they became hostile after the rescue, sometimes plucked the pod directly from their "tractor beam" and that did with that would turn red and release the thargons, some hallucinating escapes but saved 17 survivors


they clearly do not like being stolen or pestered in what they are doing and consider scape pod as their property


This is very bizarre, I do not like the way things are going.

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Save the survivors, we are not objects of alien research

It's true, on the surface them taking escape pods looks bad.

But... do we know they're people in those pods?

As others have pointed out, it's pretty strange we've yet to hear from any of the rescued survivors...

Imagine this situation: In order to engineer a war with Thargoids for (reasons) a shadow organisation with great power (i.e. The Club) creates a range of Thargoid-like ships from human technology using the new Metadrive FSD (which apparently leaves no wake to scan). They construct these ships with corrosive weapons so that any wrecks they leave behind look like Thargoid damage types.

They then set about attacking human ships, killing all the survivors of such attacks but making sure to leave Thargoid items at the wreck sites to attract passing Thargoid ships. They also dump escape pods laced with Thargoid stuff because they know the Thargoids want to recover thier stuff, and any human pilot that happens by will see Thargoids scooping escape pods and, understandably, react with outrage.

 

[CMDR MRMAURICE]

Maybe they are rescuing them, as we seem to just leave our own addrift in space, after us most likely putting them there in the first place.

Well now they aren't illicit I'll be picking them up

 

[DialBforBiscuit]

All thargoids are our enemies. Don't take indifference as peace.

From premonition:

Spoiler

Putting two and two together now, I see. Yes, we have two distinct dynasties of the Thargoids. One known as the Oresrians, the
other as the Klaxians. Unfortunately, both are heading in the direction of
the core worlds. A conflict is already taking place, a civil war between their
kinds. The Oresrians appear to be losing, falling back. From their perspective,
they’re retreating, using our worlds as mere cover in their bid to escape their
foes.’
‘These ... Oresrians are what we’ve been seeing? The reports ...’
‘Yes,’ Exo said. ‘They intend to carve a path through our civilisation and
leave us cast down on either side. What was once called a “bullet-shield” in

military parlance, I believe. They only mean to escape. Humanity will merely
serve as a convenient way to delay their pursuers.’

tl;dr we are a speed bump to be squished and forgotten to them. Also, is a fun read pick up the book if you haven't yet.

 

[Louis Calvert]

All thargoids are our enemies. Don't take indifference as peace.

From premonition:

Spoiler

Putting two and two together now, I see. Yes, we have two distinct dynasties of the Thargoids. One known as the Oresrians, the
other as the Klaxians. Unfortunately, both are heading in the direction of
the core worlds. A conflict is already taking place, a civil war between their
kinds. The Oresrians appear to be losing, falling back. From their perspective,
they’re retreating, using our worlds as mere cover in their bid to escape their
foes.’
‘These ... Oresrians are what we’ve been seeing? The reports ...’
‘Yes,’ Exo said. ‘They intend to carve a path through our civilisation and
leave us cast down on either side. What was once called a “bullet-shield” in

military parlance, I believe. They only mean to escape. Humanity will merely
serve as a convenient way to delay their pursuers.’

tl;dr we are a speed bump to be squished and forgotten to them. Also, is a fun read pick up the book if you haven't yet.

Doesn't mean any of that is true. It just means some people think that's what's going on, or are saying that they think that's what's going on, or have made it seem like that's what's going on.

The whole of Premonition is about conspiracies and secrets in secrets and obfuscation. The 'reveal' doesn't necessarily have to be true!

 

[Vin Nova]

Can't assume aliens behave the same way humans would.

 

[DialBforBiscuit]

Doesn't mean any of that is true. It just means some people think that's what's going on, or are saying that they think that's what's going on, or have made it seem like that's what's going on.

The whole of Premonition is about conspiracies and secrets in secrets and obfuscation. The 'reveal' doesn't necessarily have to be true!

Uhhh it is true. The 'conspiracies' were secret plans to explore possible relocation because The Club expects the bubble to be wiped out and they kept it hidden so people wouldn't panic. You really should read the book friend before you call it lies. Especially since its Frontier certified lore now.

 

[Urazz]

Maybe they are rescuing them, as we seem to just leave our own addrift in space, after us most likely putting them there in the first place.

Leave them adrift? If you grab said escape pods, they get off an attack you. If they were rescuing said humans, then they wouldn't mind us picking them up at all.